Posted on 09/04/2009 9:34:19 AM PDT by george76
Frank Gwozdz says coyotes have made a meal out of his livestock so often in the past several months that the farmer is thinking of leaving agriculture.
“They are wiping me out,’’ Gwozdz said ...from his 110-acre farm in Dartmouth in Southeastern Massachusetts.
In the past several months, Gwozdz said, coyotes have killed two cows, four calves, 14 goats, two lambs, two sheep, and numerous geese, ducks, and chickens.
“They are getting bolder and bolder,’’ Gwozdz said of the coyotes...
Gwozdz said he and his family have tried to deter the animals, sometimes by standing guard into the early morning and by erecting a 6-foot high fence around the animal pens.
The coyotes tunneled under the fence and attacked after the humans left.
Gwozdz also has tried to use his emus, large ostrich-like birds he raises, as watchdogs, given the bird’s ferocious kicks and razor sharp nails. But, Gwozdz said, the emus did not protect the goats he put into their pens. Coyotes attacked and killed the smaller animals.
Gwozdz said he has asked the town for help, but...
Laura Hajduk, a biologist with the Massachusetts Division of Fisheries and Wildlife...said the animals are in every community in the state.
She suggested keeping a can with coins in it handy so it can be used to make a noise that intimidates coyotes and can be thrown at them to reinforce the message they need to leave.
(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...
Want to deter a coyote? Shoot a few. After that, buy a donkey.
Suggestion: get a good guard dog AND a scoped hunting rifle!
“Throw coins”? How bout throwing some .223?
keeping a can with coins so it can be used to make a noise that intimidates coyotes
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I’m more toward the center of MA. I’ve been hearing a lot of coyote action at night. Haven’t actually seen one this year (yet).
Time for some varmint red mist. I suppose it is illegal in Massholetwocraps. Poison meat inside the fence line and high voltage as an alternative.
Just like a New England liberal, don’t solve the problem by eliminating it, just put money in a container and keep thorwing it at them.
Big coyotes to take on full sized cows. Are they sure they’ve identified the correct predator? And how come he doesn’t use poison or explosive bait?
“he has asked the town for help,” Weenie.
What happened to “shoot, shovel, and shut-up?”
When coyotes are hungry, not much will deter them. Years ago we proved that by going out in a field were they frequented. We layed in the bushes, fired our rifles, not trying to hit them, just scare them off. Then we had a rabbit call and called the coyotes back. They had no problem coming back. Rancers around here will shoot them, drag the body around the property and then hang the body on a barbed wire fence. Seems to work for them. He would have to check the laws in his county. Shaking a can full of coins is an idiots way of handling the problem.
Uhhhhh, we shoot em here in Texas. Use the coins for beer and BBQ after the hunt.
1080.
Oh wait! That has been banned by the US Gov.
I prefer a snare on a hole in the fence around the sheep pasture.
You can call them in at night with a tape recorder until you weed out the dumb ones.
Unbelievable!
Laura sounds like she might be Jennifer’s sister but Laura had to travel to points East to find a state that would hire her.
I’ve thrown small pieces of copper at coyotes but they weren’t coins, they had a lead core and were very effective. Once administered the coyotes’ tunneling days were over and their friends decided it was best to go elsewhere.
Use the coins for beer and BBQ after the hunt.
LOL
We hear them all the time in our neighborhood. When they start up at night, we do a cat count and make sure they’re all inside. They don’t bother the horses, and our border collies seem to keep them off the property itself. So we leave them be.
If they get pushy, well - so can we. Triple ‘S’ time.
Likely find out that there is maybe one or a pair of culprits doing the killing. They can be weeded out very easily.
You can leave them lay where they fall or leave them where they are digging under the fence, but if you hang them on the fence, that is displaying a carcass and it can get you some mega fines in most states.
Triple ‘S”
Oregone has finally wised up re their beloved wild Wolf experiment:
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20090901/UPDATE/90901033
Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife spokeswoman Michelle Dennehy said extensive efforts were made to persuade the wolves to leave livestock alone in the Keating Valley of Baker County, but haven’t worked. The two wolves have killed 29 animals in five incidents, including last week, when three sheep and a pet goat were killed.
Federal hunters have been given a permit to kill the pair, and the rancher has permission to shoot them to protect his stock, Dennehy added.
“Removal of these kinds of problem wolves is part of overall conservation,” Dennehy said. “We can’t allow chronic livestock losses to continue, unfortunately. We have to take this step.”
The two wolves were caught in an eerie black-and-white photo on a motion-detector camera last April standing over the carcasses of dead sheep at the ranch of Curt Jacobs, who said at the time he did not begrudge wolves moving into Oregon, but did not want them stealing his paycheck.
Jacobs did not immediately return a telephone call to his home.
Is it illegal to kill a predator that is killing your livestock in Messytwochits? If not, then take care of the problem, just dont display it. If it is illegal to shoot a predator, then trap or snare them and as you say.....
If it were my farm, there would only have been two killings. The first, my animal, and the second, the culprit. I dont dial 911. The farmer is a subject.
I never have displayed one but have left a few lay that weren’t too close in, critters make pretty short work of the remains anyway.
Maybe the sheep need a Shepperd just like in the old days?
If you take them to the center of your property and accidentally happen to spill antifreeze all over the carcass, then other violators will decide to visit and stay. Check the set every morning and pick up the trash.
I really can't believe I'm reading this, especially from a farmer. I know he's in
Massivetwoshits, but still, how can someone that works a farm not know how to fix this.
I'm really disliking the Northeast more and more... weenies all
Coyotes practicing the traditional Massachusetts value of sharing the wealth.
If you can see coyotes well enough to throw cans at them, shoot them instead. Why is this such a difficult idea for some?
Have you ever seen a good guard donkey or two go after coyotes? It is a sight to behold. We have more than our fair share of coyotes in this area -- they are everywhere. We lose almost no livestock to them -- even in pastures holding new calves and kids. Guard donkeys are relentless.
“Big coyotes to take on full sized cows. Are they sure they’ve identified the correct predator? And how come he doesn’t use poison or explosive bait?”
That is an excellent question. Are they coyotes or is there some enviral whacko save the Timber Wolf action going on?
Having said that, my sons and I have seen some very large and aggressive coyotes NE of the Bend area.
Here in Wino country California, we have two very different sub species/groups of coyotes:
1. The first group, usually is just one scruff/mangy and small coyote by itself. They remind of us of Wiley Coyote. You can see these poor mangy critters at anytime of the day as they scurry through vineyards, yards and even up and down streets looking for something that is dead to eat.
2. The second group run in packs with bigger coyotes and feed on wild turkeys, deer (they don’t eat enough deer) and have actually lured dogs not on leases into areas where the dogs have been attacked by the pack. That backfired on a nearby local pack. They lured really a big dog over a stone fence and attacked him. He took out two coyotes and put the hurt on a couple of the coyotes before his owner got on the fence and yelled at the coyotes. His dog required a trip to the vet and about 20 stiches.
As it turned out, wolves lack the cognitive processes which allow them to respect things like property rights. Shocking but true.
Interesting. I’ve never heard of using Donkeys.
I remarked on a thread the other day it's possible they only understand Inuit.
Perhaps Michelle is considering a language course now.
“As it turned out, wolves lack the cognitive processes which allow them to respect things like property rights. Shocking but true.”
Sad and shocking, and that apparently applies to coyotes, brown/black bears, grizzlies, cougars and even feral dogs abandoned by their owners.
Growing up in the SW, I hunted a lot. Most ranchers/farmers after talking to me allowed me to hunt.
Also, they wanted me to shoot/kill any coyote, stray dog, cat or crows and any viper type of snakes on their property. They just wanted me to tell them what I shot and where so they could bury them.
No problem in Idaho. Something runs your stock or attacks it, it’s history. Totally legal.
What about llamas? I have heard that some folks use “guard llamas, too.
Massachusetts law says you can shoot them or trap them. You can’t poison or use snares.
Aren’t there any bounties on them back there?
“As it turned out, wolves lack the cognitive processes which allow them to respect things like property rights. Shocking but true.”
“Wolves” = liberals and statists. Socialism is trickle-up poverty.
“She suggested keeping a can with coins in it handy so it can be used to make a noise that intimidates coyotes and can be thrown at them to reinforce the message they need to leave.”
He can use the same can for begging once the state allows the Coyotes to kill off all his live stock.
I grew up in South Dartmouth, this doesn’t surprise me one bit. I got in trouble with the law over a BB Gun in the 70’s. I now live in NC, I can feel the difference, I have freedom now.
bump
Have you ever tried to get a Gun Permit in Assachusetts?
The last photo is priceless.
Donkeys are not only awesome, through rescue farms and organizations, they are available to adopt if you have proper equipment with which to transport them. If your area ranchers are not using donkeys, I can’t imagine why. They will live in any climate, from southern swampy areas to western deserts to the snowy fields of Wisconsin and points north. Not every donkey is suitable as a guard animal though. I’ve seen a few that were just too timid — not many, but a few. If they are a good guard animal, the domestic dogs on the farm/ranch will learn to stay out of the way.
College educated idjit.
Being involved in the horse business, I’ve seen this before. It’s said the photo was photo shopped and not real. Not only that, it’s a mule not a donkey.
She suggested keeping a can with coins in it handy so it can be used to make a noise that intimidates coyotes and can be thrown at them to reinforce the message they need to leave.
And what do you do the second night after they are wise to the coin can?
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