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Archaeologists Unearth 16,000-Year-Old Goddess Figurine in Turkey
Balkan Travellers ^ | Thursday, August 20, 2009 | unattributed

Posted on 08/20/2009 6:03:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A 16,000-year-old clay figurine of a female was found by archaeologists during excavations in southern-eastern Turkey.

The mother goddess sculpture was discovered in the Direklu Cave in the Kahramanmarafl Province, which archaeologists have been excavating since July 15, Gazi University Archaeology Department lecturer Cevdet Merih Erek told national media.

The find suggests that women had a high social status in the region at the time the figurine was made, Erek explained.

In addition, it challenged archaeologists' previous knowledge by suggesting that the method of using fired clay to make figurines was much older than previously thought. Before this recent discovery, the oldest fired clay god or goddess figurines unearthed in Mesopotamia, Anatolia and other Near East regions were made in 5,000 BC.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; science; turkey
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1 posted on 08/20/2009 6:03:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 08/20/2009 6:04:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
A 16,000-year-old clay figurine of a female was found by archaeologists

I bet this figurine still looks better than Michelle in short shorts.

3 posted on 08/20/2009 6:05:49 PM PDT by John123 (My Definition of Liberals - Folks who validates their existence by calling someone a racist.)
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s/b "Direklu Cave in the Kahramanmaraç Province"
4 posted on 08/20/2009 6:06:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: John123

I’m not trying to be tacky, but honestly, if I had as much cellulite on the back of my legs as Mrs. Obama does, I would not advertise the fact.


5 posted on 08/20/2009 6:09:42 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: SunkenCiv

Why is it that every figurine of a woman has to be some sort of goddess of fertility thing or whatever .....why not just a figurine???? Why is it always some sort of sexual thing?


6 posted on 08/20/2009 6:09:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Has bubba seen it yet? I’ll bet he’ll hit on it!


7 posted on 08/20/2009 6:14:32 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: SkyDancer
Why is it that every figurine of a woman has to be some sort of goddess of fertility thing or whatever .....why not just a figurine???? Why is it always some sort of sexual thing?

Maybe the particular culture at that particular time period worshiped some women.

8 posted on 08/20/2009 6:17:15 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: SkyDancer
Because, even 28,000
years ago men thought
about sex about every
ten minutes.
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9 posted on 08/20/2009 6:20:36 PM PDT by OnTheDress (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: SunkenCiv
Stone Age porn perhaps?

Glad I missed michelle's thighs.

10 posted on 08/20/2009 6:21:43 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: SunkenCiv
The find suggests that women had a high social status in the region at the time the figurine was made, Erek explained...

Unlike under islam, you moron Erek!

11 posted on 08/20/2009 6:24:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (DON'T LIE TO ME!)
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To: OnTheDress

Guilty.


12 posted on 08/20/2009 6:32:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SkyDancer

They don’t know. It’s a just a shortcut, to assume that all artifacts that aren’t of obvious practical utility are “religious.”


13 posted on 08/20/2009 6:47:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bill Clinton will date her.


14 posted on 08/20/2009 6:57:10 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: taillightchaser

Drat you beat me!


15 posted on 08/20/2009 6:57:49 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: OnTheDress

You know, American women are looking more and more like that.


16 posted on 08/20/2009 6:58:33 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

At least my fellow Wal-mart shoppers have clothes on!


17 posted on 08/20/2009 7:03:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, but they can afford spandex.


18 posted on 08/20/2009 7:04:48 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

The shapeless linen sack ancient Mesopotamian women wore would have been more flattering.


19 posted on 08/20/2009 7:06:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Tax-chick

But it seems all objects are of some sexual thing they say ... why can’t it be just an artistic subject?


20 posted on 08/20/2009 7:07:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tax-chick

I think we call them moo moos. And I’m starting to think I’d look good in one.


21 posted on 08/20/2009 7:07:40 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: OnTheDress

Right - no TV or internet stuff ..


22 posted on 08/20/2009 7:08:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: OnTheDress

THAT is a sexy GODDESS????


23 posted on 08/20/2009 7:08:52 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: SkyDancer
why can’t it be just an artistic subject

I think it's because, as someone observed above, any naked female figure, no matter how fat, has to be a "sexual thing," at least to a male observer. Whether it's also "artistic" depends on perception of the skill involved in making it, the general visual impression, and so on.

24 posted on 08/20/2009 7:09:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: brytlea

Many of my fellow Wal-mart shoppers should wear muu-muus, but don’t. It’s too bad, because they come in such nice, bright, tropical patterns, and they’re much more comfortable than tight stretch-pants.


25 posted on 08/20/2009 7:11:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The find suggests that women had a high social status in the region at the time the figurine was made, Erek explained."

Ah, just because a figurine of a woman was made does not mean that women had high status. They also made figurines of deer, gnu and wildebeest. They hunted and killed them.

26 posted on 08/20/2009 7:13:21 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, well all those art thingies are always attributed to some sort of sex thing ... oh well .....


27 posted on 08/20/2009 7:14:30 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

“Art” is a complex concept.


28 posted on 08/20/2009 7:17:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: Fred Nerks

:’D


29 posted on 08/20/2009 7:17:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Fred Nerks

Of course, it could easily have been stone-age porn.


30 posted on 08/20/2009 7:17:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tax-chick
They don’t know. It’s a just a shortcut, to assume that all artifacts that aren’t of obvious practical utility are “religious.”

Don't forget the other default, "It's a "toy"".

Obviously our ancestors spent most of their time praying and playing.

31 posted on 08/20/2009 7:18:12 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Eagles6

See, that’s what I get for not reading all the “my comments” page first. :’o


32 posted on 08/20/2009 7:18:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tax-chick

Suppose so ... it’s just that whenever a statue of some sort is found it has to be a ‘sexual’ thing ... guys ......


33 posted on 08/20/2009 7:20:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2harddrive
She is the Venus of Willendorf 28kyo

I think she may be the oldest found.

She was found in a cave.

My Ancient Art Prof said the
rock she is made of is not found
any where in Europe.

I saw her at an exhibit in Frisco
in '84 (she was on loan from a
German museum.

She is a babe

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34 posted on 08/20/2009 7:25:57 PM PDT by OnTheDress (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: OnTheDress

Don’t let Slick Willie see her.......he’ll be hittin’ on her! Remember the female mummified body they found in the Andes mountains and Slick remarked that he’d like to have met her!


35 posted on 08/20/2009 7:42:46 PM PDT by Tucker39 (I Tim. 1:15b " .....Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.")
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To: Jabba the Nutt

And it could be the cave man was just a lousy artist. :’)


36 posted on 08/20/2009 8:14:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: brytlea

She graduated with Helen Thomas.


37 posted on 08/20/2009 8:19:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Mother Goddess worship was quite common so finding female fertility figurine is not surprising.
38 posted on 08/20/2009 8:19:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: OnTheDress
People have been speaking of Bill Clinton throughout this thread...

but we're forgetting Hillary.

Look at that figurine again.

Now THOSE are what I call CANKLES!

Cheers!

39 posted on 08/20/2009 9:30:44 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That finding would support the notion that a civilization existed before Sumeria.


40 posted on 08/20/2009 9:46:45 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: Eagles6
Glad I missed michelle's thighs.***

So is Obama

41 posted on 08/21/2009 12:29:37 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: grey_whiskers

ROFLOL


42 posted on 08/21/2009 12:30:35 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Funny and witty observation.


43 posted on 08/21/2009 12:34:34 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: SunkenCiv
**And it could be the cave man was just a lousy artist. :’)

Or horny!

44 posted on 08/21/2009 12:37:40 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: count-your-change; SunkenCiv
Mother Goddess worship was quite common so finding female fertility figurine is not surprising.

Absolutely true. The value was obviously placed on childbearing and nurturing. This belief was eventually formalized elsewhere in what is now Turkey, in figures like Artemis of Ephesus, 'Diana of the Ephesians', which were somewhat similar, except for the fact that after 13,000 years, the figure had been modified to have scores of pendulous breasts.

45 posted on 08/21/2009 12:58:27 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: SkyDancer
Sex and fertility worship in the form of goddess cults have been widespread at least from Ishtar worship in ancient Babylon.
Figurines were made either as offerings or amulets and so the connection is often made with such figurines as the Venus of Willendorf (I believe that is the one in the picture in this thread).

Recall in the Bible, Acts, chapter 19, that it was the silversmiths and craftsmen that made shrines to the goddess Artemis that so opposed the apostle Paul because they feared for their livelihoods.
There in Ephesus the temple to her was one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

Says the Encyclopedia Mythica:
“Artemis was worshiped in most Greek cities but only as a secondary deity. However, to the Greeks in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) she was a prominent deity. In Ephesus, a principal city of Asia Minor, a great temple was built in her honor, which became one of the “Seven Wonders of the Ancient World”. But at Ephesus she was worshiped mainly as a fertility goddess, and was identified with Cybele the mother goddess of eastern lands. The cult statues of the Ephesian Artemis differ greatly from those of mainland Greece, whereas she is depicted as a huntress with her bow and arrows. Those found at Ephesus show her in the eastern style, standing erect with numerous nodes on her chest. There have been many theories as to what they represent. Some say they are breasts, others that they are bulls testes which were sacrificed to her. Which is the true interpretation remains uncertain, but each represent fertility.”

“Why is it always some sort of sexual thing?”

It's a failing of humans to worship the creation rather than the Creator.

46 posted on 08/21/2009 2:59:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Obviously our ancestors spent most of their time praying and playing.

Because basic survival was so easy, right?

On the other hand, it is hard to see what this dohickey is good for, practically ... unless it's a flattering portrait of the artist's mother-in-law.

47 posted on 08/21/2009 4:05:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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To: SunkenCiv

47 posts and not a single helen thomas......................


48 posted on 08/21/2009 5:28:21 AM PDT by lucias_clay (All We Weed Up !)
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To: Tax-chick

As to basic survival, consider the US Indian population before the arrival of europeans - they did quite well, and did not spend all of their time looking for food...


49 posted on 08/21/2009 5:36:47 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: SunkenCiv

50 posted on 08/21/2009 5:44:33 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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