Posted on 08/19/2009 9:21:52 PM PDT by spyone
With the development of killer drones, it seems like everyone is worrying about killer robots. Now, as if that wasn't bad enough, we need to start worrying about lying, cheating robots as well.
In an experiment run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, France, robots that were designed to cooperate in searching out a beneficial resource and avoiding a poisonous one learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the resource. Picture a robo-Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
(Excerpt) Read more at popsci.com ...
Robot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your fusebox.

In other news, Politicians fear a loss of employment due to automation...
Somehow, this seemed right up your alley...
I did not have sex with that robot....Ms. Xj7503e
ping
garbage in, garbage out, einsteins.
the fallen nature of man is to lie and cover his behind.... this doesn’t surprise me.
What does surprise me is when someone does the Right thing for the Right Reason....
LOL!
“I did not interface with that system...”
“it was just a simple lube and oil”
XKCD did a wonderful comic on this
just little too racey to post a graphic directly
“I just pinged her! No data packets were exchanged, I swear!”
If they can lie, they must be democrats.
They’ve been hanging out with DemonRATS too long!
“Honest...I only sniffed a couple of her packets”.
“Your honor, I only wanted to SNMP into her VPN tunnel...”
That is funny right there, I don’t care who you are.
They can will fit right in with the Democrat party.

HA! That is so good!
So, this experiment in teaching *robots* to lie to one another was done in France, where duplicity is an art form of ancient standing? Why am I *not* surprised?
the infowarrior
Creepy. What could be more human than lying?

Good lord, they’re ready for a seat in modern Congress.
The robots have learned how to lie? So does this mean soon congress will be dominated by Robots?
I mean Sen. Kerry has been an interesting test case...
Democrat replacements?
Program could be written to assign a specific substance a numerical value. When enough of this resource was collected, i.e. the numerical value was high, the program could tell Robot to quit cooperating with other robots.
I don’t know about you, but I think machines behave in the ways we ‘tell’ or program them to do it.
Certainly, things can be added to databases relationally or sequentially by the robots themselves and values and logic trees assigned to them, but at the heart of it, it’s still machine.
AI is more an exercise in clever programming than proof of artificial consciousness, IMO.
Very true.
We will know that machines have 'artificial consciousness' when we find them rejecting clever programming.
***Holding a banana***
“Say it; this is an aardvark!”
They're turning into Democrats!
Professor Farnsworth: “But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver.”
Fry: “You're going back for the Countess, aren't you?”
Bender: “Oh, all right, I am. But if anything happens to me, tell them I died robbing some old man.”
Fry: “I'll tell them you went down prying the wedding ring off his cold, dead finger.”
Bender: “I love you, buddy!”
Bender: “Isn't it true that you have been paid for your testimony?”
Pramala: “Yes. You gave me a dollar and some candy.”
Bender: “And yet you haven't said what I told you to say! How can any of us trust you?”
Bender: “I'm very generous. What about that time I gave blood?”
Fry: “Whose blood?”
Bender: “Eh, some guy's.”
I promise I won’t input into your mouth.
..think the Senate and Congress in 2040
Evolving OBOTS Lie To Each Other
Makes sense thattaway!
(I adapted your post slightly)
Obot 1: Do you love me?
Obot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your cashbox.
Heh. Thanks for the chuckle.
Robot 2: "I believe you."

I, Gorebot
If you’re gonna talk about a lying, cheating robot, you should at least ping him.
>>I did not have sex with that robot....Ms. Xj7503e<<
Just to be clear, although Bill seems to be into the “e” series, I prefer the “g” series. The improvements are subtle, but more to my taste.

"I did not have sex with that robot, Miss Pinbot."

Notice the mouth action...
LISTER: (Holding up a banana) Okay, let’s try again. What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.
LISTER: No, it isn’t. Try again. What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana?
LISTER: (Exasperated) No, it isn’t! What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s an urrrr.... It’s an urrrr....
LISTER: It’s an orange! Go on, say it. It’s an orange! This! Is! An orange!
KRYTEN: It’s an orrrr... It’s an orrrr... It’s a banana! It’s no good, sir, I just can’t do it!
LISTER: You CAN do it, I’m gonna teach you how! (Holding up an apple) Okay, what’s this?
KRYTEN: It’s an ap—
LISTER: No, no, no, what is it?
KRYTEN: Oh, it’s no good sir, I just can’t lie! I’m programmed always to tell the truth.
LISTER: Kryten, it’s easy! (Holding up the apple) Look: an orange. (Holding up the orange) A melon. (Holding up the banana) A female aardvark!
KRYTEN: Oh! Oh, that is just so superb, sir! How DO you do that? Especially calling a banana an aardvark? An aardvark isn’t even a fruit! It’s total genius!
LISTER: (Beat) Let’s start again.
KRYTEN: Oh, sir, my head is spinning. We’ve been doing this all morning!
LISTER: Kryten, I’m gonna teach you how to lie and cheat if it’s the last thing I do. I want you to be unpleasant, cruel, and sarcastic; it’s the only way to break your programming, man — make you independent!
KRYTEN: Well, I’m truly grateful, sir. Don’t you think I’d love to be deceitful, unpleasant, and offensive? Those are the human qualities I admire the most! But I just can’t do it.
LISTER: You CAN!
KRYTEN: I CAN’T!
LISTER: (Picks up the banana again.) Look! What’s this?!
KRYTEN: No!
LISTER: What is it?
KRYTEN: Please!
LISTER: Come on, what is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a b... It’s a b... It’s a small, off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic warden! (He looks stunned.)
LISTER: Yes, you did it, you did it! (Holding up the orange) What’s
this?
KRYTEN: It’s a red-and-blue striped golfing umbrella!
LISTER: Kryten! Yes! (Holding up the apple) What’s this?
KRYTEN: It’s an apple.
LISTER: No! What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a — it’s a — it’s, it’s, it’s the Bolivian Navy on
manoeuvres in the South Pacific!
LISTER: Well, Kryten, man — you can do it!
KRYTEN: (Proud of himself) No, I can’t.
LISTER: Yes, you — whoa, whoa, nice one!
KRYTEN: Well, I can’t hang around here; I better go away and take the penguin for a walk. I can do it! I did it again, I can lie!
LISTER: Cat, Cat! C’mere, c’mere — check this, check this, check this!
CAT enters.
CAT: Check what?
LISTER: Concentrate, Kryten. What’s this? (He holds up the banana.)
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.
LISTER: (Disappointed) What’s this? (He holds up the orange.)
KRYTEN: It’s an orange.
LISTER: (Holding up the apple) What’s THIS?
KRYTEN: (Almost crying) Apple?
CAT: You taught him that? That’s terrific! You two should audition for “What’s My Fruit?!”
LISTER: He did it wrong, man.
CAT: (Having fun at their expense) Oh, it gets better!
KRYTEN: I just can’t do it.
LISTER: You CAN; you just did it!
KRYTEN: I just can’t do it, not when there’s someone else there. What’s a suitable human analogy? It — it’s like trying to urinate in a public lavatory when you’re standing next to a man two foot taller than you. It’s just not possible!
CAT: Look, what are you trying to do, exactly?
KRYTEN: He’s trying to teach me how to lie, sir.
CAT: Any particular reason?
LISTER: Yeah! Lyin’s a vital part of your psychological defense system; you’re naked without it. If you can’t lie, then you can’t conceal your true intentions from other people; sometimes that’s essential. I mean, like, take Nelson. (He holds the banana to his eye like a telescope.) When he put the telescope to his blind eye and said, “I see no ships!” Or like Humphrey Bogart, at the end of Casablanca, when he lies to Victor Lazslo to protect Casablanca and the guy’s feelings.
KRYTEN: I understand the theory, sir. How many times have you made me watch that movie? I understand that it can be noble to lie; I just can’t do it.
LISTER: But Kryten, you CAN do it. (Waving the banana) Look, what’s THIS?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.
CAT leaves in disgust.
KRYTEN: It always HAS been a banana, it always WILL be a banana. It’s a yellow fruit that you unzip and eat the white bits; it’s a banana!
>Robot 1: Do you love me?
Robot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your fusebox.<
The sensor is in the mail?
The path to salvation. It's that pesky right reason that gets me every time. At least I lament my selfishness, and I am forgiven.
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