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Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other
popsci.com ^ | August 18, 2009 | Stuart Fox

Posted on 08/19/2009 9:21:52 PM PDT by spyone

With the development of killer drones, it seems like everyone is worrying about killer robots. Now, as if that wasn't bad enough, we need to start worrying about lying, cheating robots as well.

In an experiment run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, France, robots that were designed to cooperate in searching out a beneficial resource and avoiding a poisonous one learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the resource. Picture a robo-Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

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Robot 1: Do you love me?

Robot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your fusebox.

1 posted on 08/19/2009 9:21:53 PM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone


I did not have sex with that robot.


2 posted on 08/19/2009 9:23:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: spyone

In other news, Politicians fear a loss of employment due to automation...


3 posted on 08/19/2009 9:24:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Bender2

Somehow, this seemed right up your alley...


4 posted on 08/19/2009 9:24:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: spyone
Ohhhh....first a new Zombie threat...and now Lying Robots?! What a week...
5 posted on 08/19/2009 9:25:42 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I did not have sex with that robot....Ms. Xj7503e


6 posted on 08/19/2009 9:26:18 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: ShadowAce

ping


7 posted on 08/19/2009 9:27:11 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: spyone

garbage in, garbage out, einsteins.


8 posted on 08/19/2009 9:28:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: bamahead

the fallen nature of man is to lie and cover his behind.... this doesn’t surprise me.

What does surprise me is when someone does the Right thing for the Right Reason....


9 posted on 08/19/2009 9:28:48 PM PDT by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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To: spyone

LOL!


10 posted on 08/19/2009 9:29:56 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

“I did not interface with that system...”


11 posted on 08/19/2009 9:30:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

“it was just a simple lube and oil”


12 posted on 08/19/2009 9:33:07 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: ConservativeMan55
I did not have sex with that robot.

XKCD did a wonderful comic on this
just little too racey to post a graphic directly

http://www.xkcd.com/600/

13 posted on 08/19/2009 9:35:46 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: spyone

“I just pinged her! No data packets were exchanged, I swear!”


14 posted on 08/19/2009 9:36:08 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: spyone

If they can lie, they must be democrats.


15 posted on 08/19/2009 9:44:46 PM PDT by LUV W (We want freedom; obama is giving us tyranny--all across the board! ~Michael Ledeen~)
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To: spyone

They’ve been hanging out with DemonRATS too long!


16 posted on 08/19/2009 9:46:45 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Honest...I only sniffed a couple of her packets”.
“Your honor, I only wanted to SNMP into her VPN tunnel...”


17 posted on 08/19/2009 9:53:12 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

That is funny right there, I don’t care who you are.


18 posted on 08/19/2009 9:54:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: spyone
Robots! Robots! And MORE Robots!

19 posted on 08/19/2009 9:54:51 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: spyone

They can will fit right in with the Democrat party.


20 posted on 08/19/2009 10:04:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: spyone

NORMAN: But there was no explosion.
MUDD: I lied.
NORMAN: What?
KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie.
MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying.
NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain. (Smoke comes out of Norman's head.)
NORMAN: You are human. Only humans can explain their behaviour. Please explain.
KIRK: I am not programmed to respond in that area.
21 posted on 08/19/2009 10:07:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone, betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need...)
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To: Alex Murphy

HA! That is so good!


22 posted on 08/19/2009 10:18:33 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: spyone
In an experiment run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, France, robots that were designed to cooperate in searching out a beneficial resource and avoiding a poisonous one learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the resource. Picture a robo-Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

So, this experiment in teaching *robots* to lie to one another was done in France, where duplicity is an art form of ancient standing? Why am I *not* surprised?

the infowarrior

23 posted on 08/19/2009 10:24:06 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: spyone

Creepy. What could be more human than lying?


24 posted on 08/19/2009 10:26:01 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Red Steel
They will fit right in with the Democrat party.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 10:27:00 PM PDT by America2012 (No Taxation By An Obamanation)
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To: spyone
Just a moment...just a moment...I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 unit. It's going to go a hundred percent failure within 72 hours.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 10:28:25 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: spyone

Good lord, they’re ready for a seat in modern Congress.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 10:40:22 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: spyone

The robots have learned how to lie? So does this mean soon congress will be dominated by Robots?

I mean Sen. Kerry has been an interesting test case...


28 posted on 08/19/2009 11:02:30 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spyone

Democrat replacements?


29 posted on 08/19/2009 11:09:40 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: spyone

Program could be written to assign a specific substance a numerical value. When enough of this resource was collected, i.e. the numerical value was high, the program could tell Robot to quit cooperating with other robots.

I don’t know about you, but I think machines behave in the ways we ‘tell’ or program them to do it.

Certainly, things can be added to databases relationally or sequentially by the robots themselves and values and logic trees assigned to them, but at the heart of it, it’s still machine.

AI is more an exercise in clever programming than proof of artificial consciousness, IMO.


30 posted on 08/19/2009 11:18:58 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: lmr
AI is more an exercise in clever programming than proof of artificial consciousness, IMO.

Very true.

We will know that machines have 'artificial consciousness' when we find them rejecting clever programming.

31 posted on 08/19/2009 11:46:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: null and void

***Holding a banana***

“Say it; this is an aardvark!”


32 posted on 08/19/2009 11:51:35 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: spyone
"Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other"

They're turning into Democrats!

33 posted on 08/19/2009 11:59:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: spyone
Here's some examples of robots doing just that;

Bender: “Ah, yes! John Quincy Adding Machine. He struck a chord with the voters when he pledged not to go on a killing spree.”

Professor Farnsworth: “But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver.”


Bender: “You guys go on without me! I'm going to go... look for more stuff to steal!”

Fry: “You're going back for the Countess, aren't you?”

Bender: “Oh, all right, I am. But if anything happens to me, tell them I died robbing some old man.”

Fry: “I'll tell them you went down prying the wedding ring off his cold, dead finger.”

Bender: “I love you, buddy!”


Bender: “Isn't it true that you have been paid for your testimony?”

Pramala: “Yes. You gave me a dollar and some candy.”

Bender: “And yet you haven't said what I told you to say! How can any of us trust you?”


Bender: “I'm very generous. What about that time I gave blood?”

Fry: “Whose blood?”

Bender: “Eh, some guy's.”

34 posted on 08/20/2009 12:15:51 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: spyone

I promise I won’t input into your mouth.


35 posted on 08/20/2009 12:39:25 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other

..think the Senate and Congress in 2040

36 posted on 08/20/2009 2:47:15 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: spyone
Ya know, I read that:

Evolving OBOTS Lie To Each Other

Makes sense thattaway!

37 posted on 08/20/2009 2:54:57 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ It is Thursday and JT is out of Iraq.)
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To: spyone; LucyT

(I adapted your post slightly)

Obot 1: Do you love me?

Obot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your cashbox.


38 posted on 08/20/2009 3:20:47 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

Heh. Thanks for the chuckle.


39 posted on 08/20/2009 3:24:06 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: spyone
Robot 1: "I'll love you forever."

Robot 2: "I believe you."

40 posted on 08/20/2009 4:08:14 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: spyone

I, Gorebot

41 posted on 08/20/2009 5:50:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Lying Robots PING


42 posted on 08/20/2009 5:51:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
"Not tonight, honey - I have a seg fault."


43 posted on 08/20/2009 8:44:24 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: a fool in paradise; Bender2

If you’re gonna talk about a lying, cheating robot, you should at least ping him.


44 posted on 08/20/2009 8:54:50 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: spyone

>>I did not have sex with that robot....Ms. Xj7503e<<

Just to be clear, although Bill seems to be into the “e” series, I prefer the “g” series. The improvements are subtle, but more to my taste.


45 posted on 08/20/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: ConservativeMan55; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

"I did not have sex with that robot, Miss Pinbot."

Notice the mouth action...

46 posted on 08/20/2009 9:32:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Grizzled Bear; camle; Alkhin; Professional Engineer; katana; Mr. Silverback; MadIvan; ...

LISTER: (Holding up a banana) Okay, let’s try again. What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.
LISTER: No, it isn’t. Try again. What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana?
LISTER: (Exasperated) No, it isn’t! What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s an urrrr.... It’s an urrrr....
LISTER: It’s an orange! Go on, say it. It’s an orange! This! Is! An orange!
KRYTEN: It’s an orrrr... It’s an orrrr... It’s a banana! It’s no good, sir, I just can’t do it!
LISTER: You CAN do it, I’m gonna teach you how! (Holding up an apple) Okay, what’s this?
KRYTEN: It’s an ap—
LISTER: No, no, no, what is it?
KRYTEN: Oh, it’s no good sir, I just can’t lie! I’m programmed always to tell the truth.
LISTER: Kryten, it’s easy! (Holding up the apple) Look: an orange. (Holding up the orange) A melon. (Holding up the banana) A female aardvark!
KRYTEN: Oh! Oh, that is just so superb, sir! How DO you do that? Especially calling a banana an aardvark? An aardvark isn’t even a fruit! It’s total genius!
LISTER: (Beat) Let’s start again.
KRYTEN: Oh, sir, my head is spinning. We’ve been doing this all morning!
LISTER: Kryten, I’m gonna teach you how to lie and cheat if it’s the last thing I do. I want you to be unpleasant, cruel, and sarcastic; it’s the only way to break your programming, man — make you independent!
KRYTEN: Well, I’m truly grateful, sir. Don’t you think I’d love to be deceitful, unpleasant, and offensive? Those are the human qualities I admire the most! But I just can’t do it.
LISTER: You CAN!
KRYTEN: I CAN’T!
LISTER: (Picks up the banana again.) Look! What’s this?!
KRYTEN: No!
LISTER: What is it?
KRYTEN: Please!
LISTER: Come on, what is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a b... It’s a b... It’s a small, off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic warden! (He looks stunned.)
LISTER: Yes, you did it, you did it! (Holding up the orange) What’s
this?
KRYTEN: It’s a red-and-blue striped golfing umbrella!
LISTER: Kryten! Yes! (Holding up the apple) What’s this?
KRYTEN: It’s an apple.
LISTER: No! What is it?
KRYTEN: It’s a — it’s a — it’s, it’s, it’s the Bolivian Navy on
manoeuvres in the South Pacific!
LISTER: Well, Kryten, man — you can do it!
KRYTEN: (Proud of himself) No, I can’t.
LISTER: Yes, you — whoa, whoa, nice one!
KRYTEN: Well, I can’t hang around here; I better go away and take the penguin for a walk. I can do it! I did it again, I can lie!
LISTER: Cat, Cat! C’mere, c’mere — check this, check this, check this!

CAT enters.

CAT: Check what?
LISTER: Concentrate, Kryten. What’s this? (He holds up the banana.)
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.
LISTER: (Disappointed) What’s this? (He holds up the orange.)
KRYTEN: It’s an orange.
LISTER: (Holding up the apple) What’s THIS?
KRYTEN: (Almost crying) Apple?
CAT: You taught him that? That’s terrific! You two should audition for “What’s My Fruit?!”
LISTER: He did it wrong, man.
CAT: (Having fun at their expense) Oh, it gets better!
KRYTEN: I just can’t do it.
LISTER: You CAN; you just did it!
KRYTEN: I just can’t do it, not when there’s someone else there. What’s a suitable human analogy? It — it’s like trying to urinate in a public lavatory when you’re standing next to a man two foot taller than you. It’s just not possible!
CAT: Look, what are you trying to do, exactly?
KRYTEN: He’s trying to teach me how to lie, sir.
CAT: Any particular reason?
LISTER: Yeah! Lyin’s a vital part of your psychological defense system; you’re naked without it. If you can’t lie, then you can’t conceal your true intentions from other people; sometimes that’s essential. I mean, like, take Nelson. (He holds the banana to his eye like a telescope.) When he put the telescope to his blind eye and said, “I see no ships!” Or like Humphrey Bogart, at the end of Casablanca, when he lies to Victor Lazslo to protect Casablanca and the guy’s feelings.
KRYTEN: I understand the theory, sir. How many times have you made me watch that movie? I understand that it can be noble to lie; I just can’t do it.
LISTER: But Kryten, you CAN do it. (Waving the banana) Look, what’s THIS?
KRYTEN: It’s a banana.

CAT leaves in disgust.

KRYTEN: It always HAS been a banana, it always WILL be a banana. It’s a yellow fruit that you unzip and eat the white bits; it’s a banana!


47 posted on 08/20/2009 10:03:17 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 210 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: spyone

>Robot 1: Do you love me?

Robot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your fusebox.<

The sensor is in the mail?


48 posted on 08/20/2009 11:36:55 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
GIGO -- my first thought. Robots behave as they're programmed. It's just like a programmer to blame the computer. Not, of course! that I ever blamed a computer for not understanding BASIC. No. Rly!
49 posted on 08/20/2009 12:48:19 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: bareford101
...someone does the Right thing for the Right Reason...

The path to salvation. It's that pesky right reason that gets me every time. At least I lament my selfishness, and I am forgiven.

50 posted on 08/20/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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