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New battery could change world, one house at a time
Daily Herald (Utah) ^ | 4-4-09 | Randy Wright

Posted on 08/17/2009 8:37:19 PM PDT by rawhide

In a modest building on the west side of Salt Lake City, a team of specialists in advanced materials and electrochemistry has produced what could be the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.

The battery breakthrough comes from a Salt Lake company called Ceramatec, the R&D arm of CoorsTek, a world leader in advanced materials and electrochemical devices.

Inside Ceramatec's wonder battery is a chunk of solid sodium metal mated to a sulphur compound by an extraordinary, paper-thin ceramic membrane. The membrane conducts ions -- electrically charged particles -- back and forth to generate a current. The company calculates that the battery will cram 20 to 40 kilowatt hours of energy into a package about the size of a refrigerator, and operate below 90 degrees C.

Ceramatec says its new generation of battery would deliver a continuous flow of 5 kilowatts of electricity over four hours, with 3,650 daily discharge/recharge cycles over 10 years.

With the batteries expected to sell in the neighborhood of $2,000, that translates to less than 3 cents per kilowatt hour over the battery's life. Conventional power from the grid typically costs in the neighborhood of 8 cents per kilowatt hour.

Five kilowatts over four hours -- how much is that? Imagine your trash compactor, food processor, vacuum cleaner, stereo, sewing machine, one surface unit of an electric range and thirty-three 60-watt light bulbs all running nonstop for four hours each day before the house battery runs out.

How do you recharge? By tapping your solar panels or windmills. It's just like plugging in your cell phone or iPod, only you plug in your house.

Ceramatec's battery breakthrough now makes that possible.

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldextra.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: battery; ceramatec
Very interesting article.
1 posted on 08/17/2009 8:37:20 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

bump


2 posted on 08/17/2009 8:41:39 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (1st Amendment or the 2nd .... let them choose.)
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To: rawhide
the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.

2,400 years ago, was the sun really an "alternative" source of energy?
3 posted on 08/17/2009 8:46:07 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: rawhide

Household lights and appliances: downgrade to lower voltages where possible. Imagine a whole wall of your home lighting up gently gradually changing colors/patterns at 12v. But some stuff needs to cook. (Go nookyooler.) It can be done.

I like these innovations, but not at all in line with global warming alarmists. Makes for good capitalism. Sign me up as a salesman or CSR. I *doo* know how to spell.


4 posted on 08/17/2009 8:47:02 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: rawhide

Plus the cost of the solar cells, plust the cost of the wind generator, plus the cost of the special wiring, plus the cost of the capital to invest in ten years of energy bills all up front at the start of the home, plus whatever environmental fee is added on to the thing for what must be a very dirty mining/manufacturing operation in creating the thing.

cool for out in the boonies but I bet there will be the old “if only” statement following this up. Maybe I’m just in a bummer mood...


5 posted on 08/17/2009 8:48:48 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Palin 2012 - For The Change You Wanted!!!)
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To: rawhide

Indeed... Now all I need is to get one of these and one of those nuclear reactors the size of an old hot-water heater.... *Bwa-haa-haa-ha*


6 posted on 08/17/2009 8:49:14 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rawhide

..not to worry, the government will kill it


7 posted on 08/17/2009 8:49:36 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: rawhide
How long before the protests: "No blood for solid sodium metal mated to a sulphur compound by an extraordinary, paper-thin ceramic membrane"?

BTW, isn't solid sodium metal extremely dangerous stuff?
8 posted on 08/17/2009 8:50:48 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: rawhide
a team of specialists in advanced materials and electrochemistry has produced what could be the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.

modesty bump.

9 posted on 08/17/2009 8:50:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (STOP OBAMA NOW.)
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To: rawhide

BTT


10 posted on 08/17/2009 8:50:55 PM PDT by clamper1797 (A Kenyan Muslim KGB agent could not do a better job as president)
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To: rawhide

So you would need to buy six of these little babies at $2,000 per unit, or $12,000 total, plus a rechaging power source to make it pay off.

Interesting.

ex animo
davidfarrar


11 posted on 08/17/2009 8:51:22 PM PDT by DavidFarrar (davidfarrar)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

I catch that being said about the sun a lot.
It’s funny.


12 posted on 08/17/2009 8:52:19 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: rawhide

How bout micro-mini nuke power plants..


13 posted on 08/17/2009 8:53:19 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: rawhide
a chunk of solid sodium metal mated to a sulphur compound by an extraordinary, paper-thin ceramic membrane....the battery will cram 20 to 40 kilowatt hours of energy into a package about the size of a refrigerator....a continuous flow of 5 kilowatts of electricity over four hours, with 3,650 daily discharge/recharge cycles over 10 years....in the neighborhood of $2,000, that translates to less than 3 cents per kilowatt hour over the battery's life. Conventional power from the grid typically costs in the neighborhood of 8 cents per kilowatt hour.

A giant refrigerator-sized object that produces 5 kilowatts of electricity every four hours will be sitting in your backyard or basement/garage. I would imagine the government will require one of these on the side:

Imagine your kids having fun with it:

14 posted on 08/17/2009 8:56:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: rawhide
I'm just sticking with my trusty old Mr. Fusion.


15 posted on 08/17/2009 8:57:05 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Pure sodium is perfectly safe as long as you keep it away from any source of water, including the moisture in the air.

High-capacity electricity storage could be very useful for shifting demand to off-peak hours (and by extension, surviving the inevitable Obama blackouts).


16 posted on 08/17/2009 8:59:35 PM PDT by bornred
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
BTW, isn't solid sodium metal extremely dangerous stuff?

It would probably be hermetically sealed and thus fairly safe; but if the seal should happen to break, head for the hills.

17 posted on 08/17/2009 9:03:39 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: rawhide

If it doesn’t have a picture of Moleface, AKA Granholm standing atop of the behemoth it is not worthy.


18 posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:13 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: rawhide

I hate to be a spoil sport but how long does this take to recharge and how many to run a real house?

One would only need a bank of about 5 of these at a time to run a house with modest AC and depending on the recharge time would need additional banks in rotation to keep up the power.

Sodium is a little twitchy in the presence of moisture as one writer noted.

Now about that electric car?


19 posted on 08/17/2009 9:13:32 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: eclecticEel

Sort of like the car-buying rule of never getting the first year of a new model and waiting a couple of years until they get the bugs out. I’d just as soon not have any of my immediate neighbors trying it out either. A couple of pounds of pure sodium and a block of sulfur could quickly reduce the value of your house.


20 posted on 08/17/2009 9:13:59 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.

What reference do they have of this. Especially since Socrates left nothing in writing? I've read most of Plato, and Xenophon and do not recall this.

21 posted on 08/17/2009 9:18:59 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: rawhide
Bet it uses 5% - 7% of it's energy just keeping it's self at 90 - 100 °C.

20 cu. ft is quite large compared to other battery technologies.

Lion batteries can produce 100kw per cu ft.

Price ($2000) is half of competitive batteries.

90°C sodium and sulphur, quite combustible and toxic.

22 posted on 08/17/2009 9:21:15 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: ALPAPilot
Well, there were those shadows on the wall, and the shadows had to come from some light source, and if Plato said the light source was fire, then an alternative light source would be the sun.

I'm just glad Socrates discovered this "sun" thing when he did, or we'd still be in the dark ages.
23 posted on 08/17/2009 9:23:03 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Solid sodium metal is a toxin and it explodes in the presence of water.


24 posted on 08/17/2009 9:26:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rawhide

While they might have a good idea with storage and release, energy production might be a real problem. The typical solar panel will give you only about 10W per square foot at optimal times. So you need 100 square feet for a single Kilowatt, and a regulator to even out the DC output. And a DC to AC converter.

And in summer, optimal time for solar power is maybe 8-10 hours a day.


25 posted on 08/17/2009 9:27:00 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rawhide

ping


26 posted on 08/17/2009 9:36:43 PM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: Spktyr
Solid sodium metal is a toxin and it explodes in the presence of water.

It takes a few seconds to explode. Time enough to flush it down a toilet. Does quite a number on the plumbing.

Ah, high school.

27 posted on 08/17/2009 9:40:49 PM PDT by TChad
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To: rawhide

bmflr


28 posted on 08/17/2009 10:00:09 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: neverdem; ShadowAce

Some interesting technology here


29 posted on 08/17/2009 10:02:04 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Kevmo

thanks, bfl


30 posted on 08/17/2009 10:25:08 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Kevmo; ShadowAce; rawhide
Finally, a breakthrough on how to harness solar power

Daniel Nocera, an advisor and mentioned in the story, and Matthew Kanan from MIT found a new catalyst for the hydrolysis of water last year. I thought I recognized his name.

31 posted on 08/17/2009 11:19:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: rawhide

Metallic sodium battery about the size of a refrigerator. The casing on the thing had better be armour-plate. If significant water ever comes in contact with the sodium the house would be destroyed.


32 posted on 08/18/2009 12:18:40 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rawhide

1) how much does a solid chunk of battery the size of a refrigerator weigh?
2) will the average floor joists support it?
3) what do you do with it at the end of its 10 year life?
4) if you live in a colder part of the USofA, will this thing die in the winter?


33 posted on 08/18/2009 4:56:17 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The Kenyan Warlord must fail !!!!!)
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To: rawhide

btt


34 posted on 08/19/2009 12:04:34 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
...would deliver a continuous flow of 5 kilowatts of electricity over four hours, with 3,650 daily discharge/recharge cycles over 10 years. With the batteries expected to sell in the neighborhood of $2,000, that translates to less than 3 cents per kilowatt hour over the battery's life. Conventional power from the grid typically costs in the neighborhood of 8 cents per kilowatt hour. Five kilowatts over four hours -- how much is that? Imagine your trash compactor, food processor, vacuum cleaner, stereo, sewing machine, one surface unit of an electric range and thirty-three 60-watt light bulbs all running nonstop for four hours each day before the house battery runs out.
Unfortunately, recharging takes nine and a half years. ;')
35 posted on 08/19/2009 4:01:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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