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Secrets of the Tang Treasure Ship
Taipei Times ^ | Aug 08, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 08/09/2009 5:51:07 AM PDT by decimon

Over 1,100 years ago, an international crew of men set sail on a perilous journey. They are returning home from Tang Dynasty China with rare ceramics and gold, created by ninth-century Chinese craftsmen, desired by the rest of the world. For centuries, China has traded with the West over land, via the Silk Road. They traveled safely from the Middle East, all the way to China. But on their return voyage, they made a fateful decision. Here, off the coast of Indonesia, the reef-filled waters are so deadly that ancient sailors called the area the Treacherous Bay.

Tilman Walterfang was lured here in the late 1990s, in search of undersea treasure. An engineer by trade in his native Germany, Walterfang maintains a lifelong passion for ancient art. He comes to Indonesia on a quest for big discoveries. Local fishermen find a mound of ceramics on the seabed. Based on the designs, they appear to have been created between 600 and 900AD, in Tang China. Walterfang hires Mike Flecker, an Australian maritime archaeologist, to manage the excavation. The whole vessel was buried. It had 1,100 years of sediment accumulated on top of that.

(Excerpt) Read more at taipeitimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: allthetangonewants; godsgravesglyphs; tang

1 posted on 08/09/2009 5:51:08 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Tilman Waterfang ping.


2 posted on 08/09/2009 5:52:38 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

“Tilman Waterfang ping.”

If this is a low-volume ping list, I’d like to be on it.


3 posted on 08/09/2009 6:00:19 AM PDT by StatenIsland (ON TO WASHINGTON 9/12/09 www.teapartysi.com)
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To: StatenIsland
“Tilman Waterfang ping.”

If this is a low-volume ping list, I’d like to be on it.

Not a list. I just like the name.

4 posted on 08/09/2009 6:15:31 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Claims to the treasure by Mainland China: Incoming in 5,4,3,2,1,0.....


5 posted on 08/09/2009 6:22:38 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: decimon
Mmmmmmm....


6 posted on 08/09/2009 6:24:37 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Larry Lucido

Wasn’t the first name of the person the Tang Dynasty was named after “Poon?”


7 posted on 08/09/2009 6:41:45 AM PDT by Fighter@heart (Government, the most inefficient entity to ever exist)
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To: Larry Lucido

rofl.... :-)


8 posted on 08/09/2009 6:57:48 AM PDT by housemouse 1
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To: Fighter@heart

It was Wu..


9 posted on 08/09/2009 6:59:55 AM PDT by csvset
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To: decimon

Hmmm...that ‘Tilman Waterfang’ was a copy/paste and it should be ‘Tilman Walterfang.’


10 posted on 08/09/2009 7:06:15 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Any pictures of the treasure?
11 posted on 08/09/2009 7:12:52 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: csvset

Thanks!! I stand corrected!!


12 posted on 08/09/2009 7:14:05 AM PDT by Fighter@heart (Government, the most inefficient entity to ever exist)
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To: csvset

Actually Yuan. The family name was Li. Since Chinese usage puts the family name first, the founder’s name was Li Yuan.

Chinese dynasties usually called themselves after a description, such as the Ching (Manchu) dynasty, which means “glorious,” not after the name of the ruling family. I’ve been unable to find out what Tang means in Chinese.


13 posted on 08/09/2009 7:14:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: decimon
Author's knowledge of geography and ancient travel is more than a little spotty.

The wood is found across Africa, from Senegal to Uganda. If it’s a timber coming from Africa, it’s far more likely that it was just transported the short distance up to Yemen or Oman and the vessel was built there.

Uganda, in pre-modern days, was one hell of a long way from the coast. Getting a bulk material from Uganda to Oman would have been for all practical purposes impossible.

It's much more likely the wood grew at the time somewhere on the east African coast and the ship was built near where the wood grew. Which likely indicates Arab and/or Indian colonies on the African coast.

14 posted on 08/09/2009 7:20:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: csvset; Fighter@heart

 

They don't look oriental to me

15 posted on 08/09/2009 7:31:03 AM PDT by grjr21
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Thanks decimon. Okay, the opportunity for jokes in this topic made me a little lightheaded.

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16 posted on 08/09/2009 5:16:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: csvset

Wu’s on first?


17 posted on 08/09/2009 5:31:17 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: decimon

Wu Tang?

Oh man, this is gonna be real good...!


18 posted on 08/09/2009 5:44:21 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Ditter
Any pictures of the treasure?

Not that I know.

19 posted on 08/09/2009 6:26:42 PM PDT by decimon
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To: DariusBane
Gravel Pit
20 posted on 08/09/2009 6:28:00 PM PDT by csvset
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To: decimon

This sounds like a reprint of a National Geographic Magazine article I read at the doctor’s office recently. I don’t recall the publication date but it was well illustrated.


21 posted on 08/09/2009 6:33:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv; Larry Lucido

My contribution to this Vey Series Thread.

22 posted on 08/09/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: csvset

Lol, don’t understand the video, but still funny!


23 posted on 08/10/2009 8:58:20 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Sherman Logan
I’ve been unable to find out what Tang means in Chinese.

A magical substance lost for centuries that could make ordinary water taste like orange juice.

24 posted on 08/10/2009 12:35:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("I don't want to be hearing from those people. Ein volk!")
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To: colorado tanker

At last the secret is revealed!

Although it just makes it taste kinda like OJ.


25 posted on 08/10/2009 2:00:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Your license may permit you to keep a medicinal store of whiskey, but this is no whiskey.
Silas Meacham: Perhaps you're not used to frontier whiskey.
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: I don't know... I've tasted most everything.
[to Sgt. Mulcahy] Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: Sergeant, you a judge of whiskey?
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: [looks around at the others] Uh, well, sir, some people say I am and some say I'm not, sir.
Lt. Col. Owen Thursday: [hands him the cup] Tell me what you make of this.
First Sgt. Festus Mulcahy: [takes a drink - makes a face at Meacham - takes another drink] Well, uh, it's better than no whiskey at all, sir.

Something like the same principle applies to Tang: (makes a face), well it's better than no O.J. at all, sir.

26 posted on 08/10/2009 2:34:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("I don't want to be hearing from those people. Ein volk!")
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