Obama birth certificate issue not going away

Baltimore Christian Conservative Examiner ^ | July 21, 2009 | Larry Amon

[real_patriotic_american]

In a quest that is seen as wacky, way out there and as bitter partisan politics by some,the issue of Obama not showing his birth certificate to prove he is a naturalized American citizen continues. Is this really just some conspiracy theory along the lines of 9/11 truthers and alien cover ups? At first glance it seems like it. But surprisingly many American’s seem to actually believe there is some possibility of truth in this claim that Obama is not a citizen. WND continues to run stories on it but most recently a congressman’s town hall meeting became overwhelmed with the issue.

Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?” Apparently Obama provided a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is not the same as a long form birth certificate. The long form birth certificate should provide evidence that can be corroborated. The COLB provided on factcheck.org does not show a hospital, doctor’s name or anything else that can be checked, just a time and city. This COLB can also be obtained by non citizens.

Obama could easily release his long form birth certificate but hasn’t. Just to stop people from talking about it and to show that he has the most transparent administration, you think he would.

Many liberals, moderates and even some conservatives will probably read this and just say “get over it already.” There is a time to let things go and personally I already have. Not because I don’t think it’s important but because I think Obama will never release this information and even if it is true that he is not a natural citizen, that nothing will change. But should people just get over this? If it is true, it is the biggest scam in history. People never got over Bush’s decision to go to war with Iraq, should everyone just forget about this issue?

The argument could easily be made that if Obama does not qualify to be president than all of the bills he signed and executive orders he issued would have to be undone. This is very important but would cause huge upheaval. I don’t know if the American people would be able to handle this kind of event and the ramifications of the loss in trust of the government. It doesn’t mean the truth shouldn’t be fully investigated though but I sincerely doubt it ever will be

[real_patriotic_american]

Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, attended the University of Hawaii during the fall of 1960. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in autumn of 1961.

Between these start dates, Miss Duham became pregnant with Obama on Nov. 1, 1960 while she was 17 years of age. Claims are that she married Obama Sr. on February 2, 1961. If this is correct and Obama Sr. was already married, it would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is outlawed in Hawaii, but legal in Kenya. Thus, chances are that Obama's mother had moved to Kenya residing there the months preceding Obama's 1961 birth.

Obama's own grandmother states that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. Thus, he would not be a natural born citizen. Obama is reported to have been born August 4, 1961.

Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

Is there any witnesses to Stanley Ann Dunham's location and movement in 1961 up through Obama's birth. Any medical clinic visits in the U.S. during her pregnancy? I have not heard of any which is a good indication that she was in Kenya.

Claims indicate that Obama was adopted and became Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it. He attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro. Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic).

By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not. By spending an enormous amount in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden, it leads one to think that he is NOT a natural born citizen.

[bareford101]

If one has nothing to hide, one doesn’t hide things. This is proof enough.

[exist]

You just made Rick Sanchez's head explode.

[luvEastTenn]

I only wish that the BC issue and the Death Care bill would converge into an overwhelming perfect storm that would lead to a Constitutional crisis.

[real_patriotic_american]

PING!

Excerpt:
Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?” Apparently Obama provided a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is not the same as a long form birth certificate. The long form birth certificate should provide evidence that can be corroborated. The COLB provided on factcheck.org does not show a hospital, doctor’s name or anything else that can be checked, just a time and city. This COLB can also be obtained by non citizens.

[TruthWillWin]

Lot of noise on this issue recently. Too bad it’s about a year too late.

[fhayek]

And it is not as if this is a matter of invasion of privacy. It is a Constitutional requirement.

[shadeaud]

We are all hearing about some Harvard professor in Cambridge who he and his driver tried to get into his own house. Gates was apparently looking for a fight especially in Cambridge. That being said, nobody has dared to report about the questionable birth certificate of (of all people) the president of the U.S. Why

[hoosiermama]

Is this the explosion that labels all Birthers as racists?

Those court cases must be getting to them.

[353FMG]

>>Is this really just some conspiracy theory along the lines of 9/11 truthers and alien cover ups? At first glance it seems like it.<<

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Why not dispel the conspiracy theory once and for all so that we may not have any further dissension?
OK Hussein, show us your long form BC. You owe this courtesy to the American people—they pay your salary.

[screaminsunshine]

Obviously Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and should be arrested and removed from office.

[Lou Budvis]

I kept on ignoring this issue, but the more I look at it, the more I think there is something there. Even if the original records were somehow lost, where are the baby pictures, witness affidavits, etc. showing that he was born in HI? I never saw a birth certificate that didn’t show height, weight, time of birth, etc.

Most importantly, he could end this by releasing it.

[Michael.SF.]

Too bad it’s about a year too late.

Nope. If he ran illegally, he would be removed from office, and could face criminal charges.

But I suspect that Biden would pardon him.

[dynachrome]

“Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic). “

I believe this is a “not proven”. April fools hoax is what I saw on FR. Occidental has released no records that I am aware of.

[CaptainK]

"I think Obama will never release this information and even if it is true that he is not a natural citizen, that nothing will change."

I didn't know it was that easy to change the Constitution.

[Michael.SF.]

the more I look at it, the more I think there is something there.

Like the fact that he has spent over $1,000,000 fighting these cases?

[real_patriotic_american]

Yes, regardless of where Obama was born, he is not a natural born citizen since his father was a Kenyan. Obama also lost natural born citizenship when he was adopted into Indonesia and became an Indonesian citizen.

[Dan(9698)]

prove he is a naturalized American citizen

This author really "understands the problem."

[marron]

A dual citizen has to choose which citizenship he will claim when he comes of age.

Thus its important, I think, what passport he used to travel to Pakistan, and its important if he attended college claiming to be a foreign student.

He apparently didn’t have a US passport until he was in congress, which means he traveled as an Indonesian citizen. That, in my opinion, cinches that.

And if he claimed to be a foreign student when he attended college, that again cinches that. Someone who has dual citizenship as a child has to choose when he becomes an adult. Having chosen to be other than a US citizen, he can’t come back later and run for president as a natural-born citizen.

This is quite separate from the question of “where” he was born.

The fact that all records that would shed light are off-limits tells anyone paying attention that he has reason not to show them.

[curiosity]

Why not dispel the conspiracy theory once and for all so that we may not have any further dissension?

Because it amuses him to see his oposition wasting its time on a non-issue.

[BP2]

For Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth in Honolulu, HA, to be accurate, the following improbable events needed to occur for his COLB to accurate:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by just-about the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands (the 1960 Census shows the population of blacks in Hawaii to be at 0.7 percent)

2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.

3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.

10 months AFTER her first day at the Univ of Hawaii, she gives birth to BHO II at EITHER the Queen's or Kapiolani Medical Center, and immediately LEAVES behind:
a) her parents in Honolulu
b) her new husband in Honolulu, and
c) her new home in Honolulu (her parents had just moved there, reportedly in June 1960) ...
... to fly ALONE with a 3-week-old newborn baby 2,800 miles to Seattle to start college at the Univ of Washington.

Then ... Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard, in Fall of 1962.

Even the Obots realize this is an implausible series of events is made even more suspicious in that -NEVER- does Obama Jr in his two books mention that his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was EVER in Washington State during their marriage until they were divorced in March 1964 ...

... occam's razor ...
... propensity of evidence ...
... reasonable doubt ...
... trust but verify...
... common sense ...

[Callahan]

The DUers have certainly latched onto “Birther” (think 9/11 Truther) as their pejorative of choice. I have my doubts that ZerO coule pull off a fraud of this magnitude, but would certainly laugh like a hyena if it turned out to be true. What are the informed people saying about the Honolulu advertiser Obama birth announcement that some Hillary blogger found on microfiche? That seemed to kill it for alot of people.

[a real Sheila]

You would think with the money he has available and the people who are willing to fall on the grenade for him that he would at least present a damned good forgery. He has the minions who are willing to swear to its authenticity!
That he won’t even do that shows his arrogance and he is thumbing his nose at America and saying, “I may or may NOT be a legal citizen. You will always have to wonder and cannot do a damned thing about it!”

[Non-Sequitur]

He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it.

No he wouldn't.

[Tarpon]

LOL — dead on.

[marron]

Occidental has released no records that I am aware of.

This is my undertstanding as well. There is a hoax that keeps circulating that says it was released, but as far as I know it was never released.

[a real Sheila]

does he have a U.S. passport?
If so, for how long has he had one and how did he originally get one?

[dynachrome]

Very good work on the timeline!

[Non-Sequitur]

He apparently didn’t have a US passport until he was in congress, which means he traveled as an Indonesian citizen.

And how do you know that?

Someone who has dual citizenship as a child has to choose when he becomes an adult. Having chosen to be other than a US citizen, he can’t come back later and run for president as a natural-born citizen.

Not according to U.S. law. Other countries may require dual citizens to make a choice - Kenya, for example - but the U.S. does not.

[real_patriotic_american]

Obama won’t release his birth certificate because he has something to hide. Also, he added strength to our claim when he rescinded Major Cook’s deployment instead of face-off in court where Obama would face subpoena of his documents.

[Conscience of a Conservative]

I keep seeing different figures, all somewhere around $1 million, re: how much Obama has spent on these cases, and I’ve yet to see a citation. Do you have any citation for your number?

[BP2]

This timeline is even MORE precise:

    June 1960 -- Ann moved to Hawaii with Parents (exact date unknown)
    Sept 1960 -- Ann started classes at U of Hawaii (exact date: Sept. 26, 1960)
    Oct 1960 -- Got pregnant by Obama SR
    Feb 1961 -- Married Obama SR (Feb. 2, 1961)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 2 months, 5 days
-- a big, six-month void --
    Aug 1961 -- Gave birth to Obama JR on Aug. 4, 1961 (reportedly in Hawaii and on that date)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 8 months, 7 days
    Aug 1961 -- Sighting by Susan Blake in late-August on Mercer Island, Seattle (Obama Jr reportedly 3 weeks old) -- SHE'S TRAVELING FROM HAWAII TO SEATTLE, in 1961, WITH A 3-WK-OLD, only to ship the baby BACK to start classes in Seattle? Highly doubtful ...
    Fall 1961 -- Attended classes in Seattle at University of Washington (see transcripts below), but not with University of Hawaii in Spring of 1961 -- possible BREAK in Hawaiian Residency status, depending on when she left Hawaii
    Fall 1961 -- a Listing for Stanley Ann Obama appears in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library: "Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th Ave. E. apt. 2"
    1961-1962 -- Anna Obama phone listing, as listed in Seattle Reverse Directory, 1961-1962: "Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3346" at "516 Villa Ria Apartments"
    Mar 1962 -- Mary Toutonghi babysat Obama Jr at Ann Dunham (aka Anna Obama) apartment for two months (through May 1962)
    Sum 1962 -- Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962 "I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World's Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann's apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn't in classes, and didn't have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn't right in her."
    Fall 1962 -- Ann Dunman is no longer registered for classes at University of Washington
    Fall 1962 -- Obama SR begins school at Harvard, in Boston, Mass.
    Sept-Dec 1962 -- Ann moves back to Hawaii, with baby Obama, to live with parents
    Spring 1963 -- Ann Dunham resumes school back at  University of Hawaii at Manoa
    Jan 1964 -- Ann Dunham files for divorce in Hawaii Court
    Mar 1964 -- Divorce is granted (Obama SR does not respond to divorce notice in Boston)

[imjimbo]

Obama himself admitted in his book that his dad was a Kenyan- which in itself precludes him from being a natural born citizen-! He must be arrested and imprisoned forthwith for perpetrating a hoax-!!

[real_patriotic_american]

If this were a Republican, the government would enforce the Constitution before the candidate was sworn in. We must DEMAND enforcement of the Constitution. Obama has NOT proven natural born citizenship.

[Star Traveler]

“Obama birth certificate issue not going away”

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Of course it’s not going away. It will still be around when Obama snips the ribbon on the opening of his Presidential Library... LOL...

[real_patriotic_american]

Yeah, but better late than never!

[Smokeyblue]

You are on every single thread supporting Usurper Obeyme around the clock. Does ACORN pay you overtime?

[Star Traveler]

You said — Obama has NOT proven natural born citizenship.

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No President has been required to do so in the past. All they’ve been required to do is to sign legal statements affirming that they are qualified, with the Secretaries of State of the states. That’s what Obama did...

What we’ve got going on here is a loophole in the Constitution, in that it doesn’t specify exactly how one is to verify that they are qualified per its requirements. Obama simply stated that he was and that he met the Constitutional requirements, like all the other candidates in the past did...

It’s going to take state laws requiring specific documentation, or else a candidate cannot be on the ballot — in order to correct this loophole in the Constitution...

[Wardenclyffe]

[Lou Budvis]

That is a strong argument against a Kenyan birth, as is the fact that the short-form COLB seems to indicate that the original was filed Aug 8.

[Fantasywriter]

For malignant narcissists it is absolutely crucial to demonstrate their mental superiority. One of the main ways they do it is by pulling one over on other people. If Obama is not a naturalized citizen, I guarantee he’s not shaking in his shoes, worrying about being exposed. He’s laughing his butt off at all the dumb Americans he tricked into electing him.

[real_patriotic_american]

I agree! If Obama is proven guilty of obvious crimes, the news libs and Democrats will cry bigots.

[Star Traveler]

You were quoting an excerpt — Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?”

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Well, I don’t say that. I simply say that producing anything like that is not required. And it’s irrelevant what was produced on a website, because the “legal status” of Obama (in regards to the Constitutional requirements) doesn’t hinge on a website image — but rather — hinges on the signed, sworn statements that he and his campaign made, in that he was qualified. That’s the “legal” part to the whole thing and not a website image.

[Paladin2]

"...He apparently didn’t have a US passport until he was in congress..."

How did he get the passport? Use his BC and forget to tell about all the details in between?

[bgill]

What are the informed people saying about the Honolulu advertiser Obama birth announcement that some Hillary blogger found on microfiche? That seemed to kill it for alot of people.

My birth was announced in newspapers in every state I had relatives. Of course it was announced in his grandparent's hometown newspaper. That's the way things were done back then.

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with five backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

[dynachrome]

Sent the first one and your update to a local talkshow host who is on this issue and is the best in the area, Denver, Co., on the criminal illegals here.

Peter Boyles of 630am KHOW.

http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html

[real_patriotic_american]

Very well put!

You wrote-
“OK Hussein, show us your long form BC. You owe this courtesy to the American people—they pay your salary.”

[Peter Horry]

Get that ember HOT!

[Know et al]

Is this the explosion that labels all Birthers as racists?

The “birthers” are not the ones that included that requirement in the Constitution of the Unite States of America.