Bigfoot kin may have made tracks for sunny Arizona

Apr. 3, 2009 | Clay Thompson

[JoeProBono]

Today's question:

When I was a kid in Phoenix in the early '60s, I spent a week every summer at a Boy Scout camp east of Pine, just below the Mogollon Rim. Sometimes late at night, around a campfire, the older scouts would regale us with tales of attacks on ranchers and campers by the "Mogollon Monster." Has anyone claimed to have seen hairy ape-men in Arizona recently?

The Mogollon Monster is Arizona's version of Bigfoot. It supposedly lives, as you may have guessed, along the Mogollon Rim, although it has allegedly been spotted around Prescott and in the Grand Canyon. It seems to be a shy thing, but every now and then, it tears up a campsite or takes the campers' food.

Don Davis, a cryptozoology investigator who died in 2002, claimed that he encountered the monster at a Boy Scout camp near Payso in the 1940s. He reported:

[JoeProBono]

The creature was huge. Its eyes were deep set and hard to see, but they seemed expressionless. His face seemed pretty much devoid of hair, but there seemed to be hair along the sides of his face. His chest, shoulders and arms were massive, especially the upper arms; easily upwards of 6 inches in diameter, perhaps much, much more. I could see he was pretty hairy, but didn't observe really how thick the body hair was. The face/head was very square; square sides and squared-up chin, like a box."

At www.mogollon monster.com, you can see pictures of Mogollon Monster poop and caves, watch some videos, find links to other MM sites and read an account from a woman who said she saw the creature last Christmas near Springerville. She described it as hairy, black and about 8 feet tall.

[Mr. Mojo]

It seems to be a shy thing, but every now and then, it tears up a campsite or takes the campers' food. ...She described it as hairy, black and about 8 feet tall.

Sounds like a black bear to me. ...when standing on its hind legs.

[fso301]

Whoa I’ve seen that hairy dude! A couple of years ago, I was out collecting and sampling peyote when I saw that creature fly in, walk around, do a few cartwheels and then fly off into the pink and yellow polka dotted sky

[JoeProBono]

[dsrtsage]

And Next On Coast to Coast AM....

[JoeProBono]

Why not?

[FlingWingFlyer]

I live in the area where all this is supposed to be taking place. I need to advise everyone that this is a heavily DemocRATik area with a lot of illegal aliens also. So, these kinds of sightings of tall, dark, hairy naked people walking around in the woods are quite common for those of us who live up here.

I blew up that photo to see what that was behind M&M in the background.

[PzLdr]

Was it Zane Grey who wrote a story featuring rhe Mogollon Monster back in the teens or ‘20s?

[Hoosier-Daddy]

No, it’s was a Rim Country visit by the former Governor Janet Napolitano.

[americanophile]

[HiJinx]

Dude - the Mogollon Monster has been the subject of many campfire tales in the Rim Country. I first heard them at a Baptist Church Camp where I worked as a teenager in the early 70s.

Near as I can tell, there ain’t no such thing. Our version of the story had the monster grabbing young Boy Scouts out of their sleeping bags at Camp Roosevelt; he would decapitate them and hang their corpses from low-hanging tree limbs.

[JoeProBono]

[machogirl]

i went to the website. do you think that these people are really serious?

considering all that has happened this past year which i thought i never would see happen: voter fraud, socialism, bailouts, republicans pretending to be democrats, etc., i have no idea if they are or not.

[machogirl]

wow, that’s disgusting. we didn’t have any of those kind of stories at girl scout camp.

[HiJinx]

Well now, ain’t never said there aren’t dangerous bears up there...!

In fact, the spot where I got my elk last year also sees quite a bit of bear activity. My buddy strongly suggested I carry a back-up just in case.

[HiJinx]

And these were church counselors telling the tales, to boot!

IIRC, the Girl Scouts also had a camp up under the rim. You could travel the high line road to get back and forth between them.

I suspect the legend of the Mogollon Monster was told as a way to keep the boys from going to the girls’ camp at night.

[machogirl]

sounds logical, it sure is pretty under the rim with the water that seeps through the limestone. very lush.

[machogirl]

i went to the camp in prescott. no bigfoots there.
the large scary thing was the outhouse. i was always afraid that i would fall in and never come out.

[JoeProBono]

Real Life Cookie Monster Robs Girl Scouts!

[Gator113]

So they really do exist. Amazingly ugly creatures.

[HiJinx]

Last outhouse I used was on Grampa’s farm in Mississippi.
I was more afraid of snakes than falling in...!

And I love the Payson/Pine/Heber area of the rim. We hunt, camp, and fish up there several times a year.

[SunkenCiv]

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[ElkGroveDan]

Global warming chased him away. Big Foot and Global Warming have a lot in common.

[Eaker]

Ain’t he kin to y’all?

[concentric circles]

I saw one, and he went after the children first! It was terrible.

[ApplegateRanch]

Speaking of large, hairy monsters in Arizona...

[TheMom]

Wrong Bigfoot, Bonehead.

[JoeProBono]

[happygrl]

Laugh if you wnat, but some years ago I camped south of the Grand Canyon in that area, and had to sleep in my car because of the unearthly screeches by some group of animals. They weren't coyotes, as I'm familiar with that howling and yelping.

It was the most unnerving sound I've ever heard.

[humblegunner]

Wrong Bigfoot, Bonehead.

I don't know, he may be some distant kin to me.

Somewhere along the journey my line seems to have gotten a pretty good shot of Neanderthal genes.

[Non-Sequitur]

You’ve heard stories about Bigfoot for what, 70 years or more? I imagine they’re getting old and ready for retirement. Why not Arizona?

[wolfcreek]

Cougars or maybe, javalina. They both make really unnerving sounds.

[Hatteras]

"At www.mogollon monster.com, you can see pictures of Mogollon Monster poop and caves, watch some videos,..."

Awesome! I've been looking for some Mogollon Monster poop to complete my collection!

[happygrl]

I've been told that about cougars; they can sound like humans.

Javalinas, I've never heard.

[cyborg]

How on earth did you get a photo of petronski!

[Dustbunny]

Oh yuk !!!!!!

Hope that wasn't the one that has been tearing up our bird feeders and running off with the suet cakes while still in their holders.

[refreshed]

Of course the Mogollon Monster is real. What else could have made the tracks on Houston Mesa Road?

[wolfcreek]

Javelinas make a horrible sound and have been know to attack humans. (in/out of the tents.) Not sure if they exist as far north as the Grand Canyon. (but close) http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/game_javelina.shtml

[SunkenCiv]

Yow. There have been recordings of unidentified nocturnal animal howling, out west; there have been witness reports that Bigfoot individuals have gone out of their way to attack or even kill dogs.

[happygrl]

I've heard recordings on the cryptozoology specials with Loren Coleman and also on the old C2C with Art Bell that purported to be Bigfoot.

I gotta tell you... the sounds I heard were similar, only there was a whole group of animals vocalizing at once, DEFINITELY not coyotes, as I have camped enough out west to know what they sound like.

[Towed_Jumper]

“Javalinas, I've never heard.”

Javelina bark like dogs...they also “click” their tusks when they're nervous or PO’d— all of them except for the one I have hanging in my office...he doesn't say much anymore...just hangs there with a snarling look on his face. (Killed him while handgun hunting in the desert).
I've spent my LIFE hunting/camping in both the deserts of Arizona and up on the Rim...I've never seen or heard of the Mogollon Monster.

My guess though, if they are about...say, 600-800 pounds, then a .30-06 with 180-gr JSP should bring them down no problem. I think I'll save a spot on my hunting trophy wall...just in case!

[happygrl]

I heard something that was so unnerving that I sure didn't want to venture out, shotgun or not!

Thanks for the info.

Javelinas are one western creature that I still haven't seen, except on the wall, as you've described.

That and the jackalope:)

[happinesswithoutpeace]

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