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1 posted on 04/07/2009 4:47:57 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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Meanwhile, many of the churches throughout our country fail to see how they can put their churches to work to counter this threat.
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No they can’t...they’ve sold themselves for their tax exempt status....what is that when a woman sells herself for money in return for favors??? A Whore? Oh wait..its a whore that does good deeds...that makes it ok. Separation of Church and State??? What a joke. Deception, Deception, Deception!!! We have been warned!!


2 posted on 04/07/2009 4:55:03 PM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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ah come one.. most churches have important things to do, like buy a new chandelier and organ while asking for more money. /sarc


3 posted on 04/07/2009 4:56:10 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: cradle of freedom

“While the believers in God are letting the enemies of God decide the future of our country?”

You really think that God can’t handle this? That’s not showing very much faith in God! :)

These things play out on HIS time line, not ours.

“Don’t tell God how big your troubles are; tell your troubles how BIG your God is.”


4 posted on 04/07/2009 4:56:55 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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You are deluded, like most others. There is no god. Your prayers are nothing more than whining. This nation is being destroyed, because the majority want it so. And no amount of supplication to your plastic jesus will stop them.


5 posted on 04/07/2009 4:58:50 PM PDT by Old Sarge ("Remember, remember, the Fourth of November, the Socialist treason and plot...")
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I believe for this to happen, the church will need to go back to the example of Paul, and pastors will need to do other work for a living, while at the same time pastor a church. If the continued fall of the financial system deepens, this may come about. There will be many brothers and sisters in Christ who will need food, shelter, and encouragement, if the implosion some see coming, actually arrives. With Zero’s Civil Service plan of indoctrination along with prohibitions against sharing ones faith get implemented early enough, the church may have to go underground here right in the USA itself. See Canada for the beginning signs of persecution.


6 posted on 04/07/2009 5:07:01 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: cradle of freedom

Form of escapism, excellent way to put it.

My aunt and uncle are waiting on Jesus anyday now and when something bad happens, instead of fighting for what’s right, they say “All we do is wait until Jesus comes” and I think NO!

That’s what they did while they gassed Jews in Germany. That’s what they did while they burned Protestants in England. That’s what they did for 2000 years now!

I’ll be ready when Jesus comes, and in the mean time I’ll be ready to defend his flock. A shephard doesn’t just LEAD his flock, a shephard will FIGHT AGAINST THE WOLF TRYING TO GET TO HIS HERD!


9 posted on 04/07/2009 5:10:34 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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The rapture is post- or mid-tribulation at best.

Lots of work yet left to do.


10 posted on 04/07/2009 5:10:53 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Tim Gill is also the founder of QuarkXpress. That’s how he made his millions.


18 posted on 04/07/2009 5:15:50 PM PDT by GSWarrior (We have to act now before people begin to realize we don't.)
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There is no rapture.


23 posted on 04/07/2009 5:26:41 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Ahhh baseball is comming soon. Go Braves!)
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To: cradle of freedom; TaraP; Quix; Jo Nuvark

You asked — Why is it that the forces of evil are well funded, well organized and determined to get what they want. While the believers in God are letting the enemies of God decide the future of our country?

Ummm..., well, basically it’s because the “godless” are also in Republican Party. In fact, I was reading some comments here, and regarding the Republicans (and/or conservatives, if you will) that some of these people figure that they would win elections better if they jettisoned some of the “Christian baggage”...

Christians are not the majority of the country, the Republicans or the Democrats. It might be nice if they were, but they are not.

Thus, the answer to this problem is to “make more Christians” — and *not* organize better politically.

Besides, the *primary* goal of Christians is to spread the Gospel message — not organize politically. If one wants to do that (i.e., organize politically) as a secondary goal, that’s fine, as long as they don’t lose sight of the *primary goal* of spreading the Gospel message of salvation.

The Gospel message is not a political message. But, having more Christians will affect politics (so make more Christians...).

One particular example of how the “Christian message” might affect the “politics” of the conservatives, adversely, is that I would *never* (in a million years) vote for a “cult group member” for President. God would *never* have Christians voting to support a *cult group member* under any circumstances. And thus, I would never support the *cult member* — Romney.

BUT, there are “political operatives” who might see voting for Romney as a way to win an election and would castigate some Christians for going against the politics of “conservatism” (aside from the fact that some don’t think he’s conservative... LOL..) — by adhering to a Christian principle of not supporting or being in league with a “cult group member” who denies the Triune Godhead and that Jesus Christ was *always* (from eternity past) part of that same Triune Godhead (something denied by that cult group and thus being *totally against* Christianity).

Being a *serious* Christian may make some Christians vote against some members of their (”supposedly”) own party...

Is *this* (kind of action) the type of “political action” that you’re talking about? (i.e. voting against your own party people?), which causes some people in that same political party to figure it’s time to “dump Christianity” for the good of the Party??


40 posted on 04/07/2009 6:27:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: cradle of freedom; TaraP; Quix; Jo Nuvark

You have as the “title” of your post...

“Waiting for the Rapture while America goes down the tubes!”

Ummm.., what makes you think that the primary objective of Christians is to “wait for the Rapture”... LOL...

As I read it, the primary *objective* of Christians is to spread the “Gospel message” to everyone. That’s something for every Christian and that is the *absolute and primary goal* of all Christians (per the Bible). That’s what I read, anyway...

The primary objective is not politics, it’s not waiting for the Rapture, it’s not organizing better politically, but rather organizing *better* ways to spread the Gospel Message.

Now, if you have some time to do some politics, in the meantime, after you do spread the Gospel Message, then that’s fine, too. There’s nothing wrong with that. But, please, don’t try to create confusion and say that Christians have as a primary cause and/or objective any kind of “politics”... they don’t (not according to the Bible, they don’t).


42 posted on 04/07/2009 6:35:07 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: cradle of freedom; Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; ...

END TIMES DREAMS VISIONS PROPHECY PING LIST

A) LEVEL PING LIST PING

I have a lot of congruent sympathy for your perspective, goals etc.

I don’t feel a lot of . . . motivation to get behind some structured movement sort of thing. I think it is an exercise in futility wasted and the enemy benefits from the waste.

1. I do believe that FEEPERS taking docs from FR and giving them out to their social network is well worth doing.

2. I feel that PRAYER MORE THAN ANY OTHER THING . . . PARTICULARLY PRAYER AND FASTING WILL TURN OUT TO EQUAL . . . WHAT . . . an hour of prayer = 100 hours of community organizing? I don’t know but AT LEAST something like that, I’d bet.

3. The Bible is very clear that the globalist oligarchy WILL BE IN CHARGE for 3.5-7 years OVERTLY. We don’t have a measure of how long the birth pangs leading up to such horrors will last.

4. Certainly the globalist oligarchy has been busy for AT LEAST a hundred years as the ref’d quotes in my tag line attest. Certainly the oligarchy is not just going to wake up on a Monday morning and decide to take over the world by Wednesday.

5. They have had essentially ALL the political power of any consequence over the whole world for at least 100 years. They have had essentially MOST of the megabucks moneyed interests for at least 100 years . . . some say 400 years.

6. They WILL ADVANCE THEIR AGENDA TOWARD TRAITOROUS TYRANNICAL TREASONOUS GLOBAL SATANIC DICTATORSHIP APACE REGARDLESS of what Christians do or don’t do. That’s clearly a Biblical fact.

7. It is POSSIBLE that in some significant but relatively non-central areas . . . Christians COULD delay and moderate what would otherwise have been much worse.

8. It is likely, imho, that Christians WORKING TOGETHER IN UNITY OF CHRIST’S BLOOD AND SPIRIT

8.1 IN A GIVEN LOCALE—CITY, NEIGHBORHOOD, COUNTY COULD ESTABLISH A SAFE-HAVEN SPHERE PROTECTED SUPERNATURALLY BY ANGELIC ARMIES ETC. ETC. FOR HOWEVER LONG GOD SAW FIT TO ARRANGE THAT AND CERTAINLY DEPENDENT ON THE PRAYERS, UNITY, LOVE, ETC. DEMONSTRATED BY SAID CHRISTIANS IN SAID LOCALE. I suspect 24/7 prayer would be necessary in such a context.

9. The Church of Jesus Christ will likely have it’s finest hours ahead. But it will NOT be any semblance of THE CHURCH as it has typically been known in history and certainly in recent years. IT WILL INSTEAD BE THE CHURCH UNIVERSAL MADE UP OF EVERYONE WHO PUTS GOD FIRST AND FOREMOST; LOVES OTHERS AS SELF AND DOES UNTO OTHERS . . . WHO MAKE PRAYER AND FASTING A SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY AND WHO LOVE NOT THEIR OWN LIVES UNTO DEATH.

10. PETTY AND EVEN SOME NOT SO PETTY DENOMINATIONAL DISTINCTIVES WILL FALL BY THE WAYSIDE AS INCONSEQUENTIAL IN VIEW OF WHAT GOD IS DOING AT THE MOMENT IN A GIVEN LOCALE, GROUP ETC. Folks who still cling defiantly, stubbornly to the denominational distinctives may well be taken home early; sidelined to neutralize their danger to the group and/or end up wholesale in the enemy’s camp for their stubborn refusal to tune into WHAT GOD IS CLEARLY DOING in that situation at that time.

11. This will be true of RC’s, Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, . . . every kind of label you can think of. Man’s labels and Man’s structures will count for ZERO in the coming months . . . even less than ZERO. They will be seen FROM HEAVEN’S PERSPECTIVE typically as trashy charades; shells of sham and shame compared to THE CHURCH Christ died for and has been working to lead more and more purely these 2000 years.

12. The Church Christ died for and will increasingly overtly lead in accomplish great exploits for THE KINGDOM OF GOD in coming months WILL BE GATHERED BY HOLY SPIRIT FROM ALL FLAVORS AND TYPES OF GROUPS AND DENOMINATIONS. SAINTS THEREBY GATHERED WILL NOT CARE what the backgrounds of fellow saints are—only DO THEY LOVE GOD UNSURPASSINGLY, UNCOMPROMISINGLY; OTHERS AS SELF; DO UNTO OTHERS; WALK IN THE UNITY OF CHRIST’S BLOOD AND SPIRIT; WALK LED OF HOLY SPIRIT. All else will be chaff at best and dangerous poison and sabotaging deadliness at worst.


44 posted on 04/07/2009 7:40:58 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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The role of a Christian is not to be a moral policeman. That is what Pharisees do.
79 posted on 04/08/2009 6:08:29 AM PDT by marbren
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116 posted on 04/09/2009 12:38:52 AM PDT by joeclarke (qyu)
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Yeats, 1919


133 posted on 04/09/2009 2:01:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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The false teaching of the pre tribulation rapture has harmed the body of Christ more than we will ever know.


134 posted on 04/09/2009 5:33:38 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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An alternative point of view:

Preterism

137 posted on 04/11/2009 1:27:43 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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