Posted on 04/07/2009 4:47:57 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
Why is it that the forces of evil are well funded, well organized and determined to get what they want. While the believers in God are letting the enemies of God decide the future of our country?
It seems that too many people are living in the future, waiting for the Rapture. We have to look to the future but live in the present. I think too many Christians are too apathetic while the other side is energied.
Remember we have to hold down the fort until the calvary arrives. We can't just keep looking to the horizon while the fort is being surrounded and burned to the ground. What did Jesus say: "Occupy until I come." This doesn't mean living in the future. It means dealing with life as we find it day by day. It is fine to study the prophecies but we cannot use this as a form of escapism which I fear that many people do.
The churches have a great network for organization. What if someone printed up a Christian monthly newsletter to be distributed at Church? We cannot take for granted that people fully understand what is going on. I think human beings naturally are more interested in their immediate welfare rather than the big issues. They tend not to know what is going on until it is too late.
Have you ever heard of Tim Gill? He is a Colorado gay millionaire who has been single-mindedly defeating pro-family candidates in a number of states. Gill uses a very stealthy and deceptive method. He gives money to opponents of pro-family candidates. The voters are inundated with repeated mailings critical of the pro-family candidate. The mailings never mention anything about gay issues. Instead they just make general criticism of the pro-family candidate. Another thing that the voters do not know is that the opposition candidate has made an agreement with Gill to support gay causes in exchange for campaign money. How evil is that!
Meanwhile, many of the churches throughout our country fail to see how they can put their churches to work to counter this threat. Churches have natural social networks, a strong belief system and a method of collecting money for our causes. Instead it is the anti-God left that has all the organization and uses it to the ultimate degree. Wake up! What kind of country will our children inherit!
They did no such thing.
You have as the “title” of your post...
“Waiting for the Rapture while America goes down the tubes!”
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Ummm.., what makes you think that the primary objective of Christians is to “wait for the Rapture”... LOL...
As I read it, the primary *objective* of Christians is to spread the “Gospel message” to everyone. That’s something for every Christian and that is the *absolute and primary goal* of all Christians (per the Bible). That’s what I read, anyway...
The primary objective is not politics, it’s not waiting for the Rapture, it’s not organizing better politically, but rather organizing *better* ways to spread the Gospel Message.
Now, if you have some time to do some politics, in the meantime, after you do spread the Gospel Message, then that’s fine, too. There’s nothing wrong with that. But, please, don’t try to create confusion and say that Christians have as a primary cause and/or objective any kind of “politics”... they don’t (not according to the Bible, they don’t).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
And
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
END TIMES DREAMS VISIONS PROPHECY PING LIST
A) LEVEL PING LIST PING
I have a lot of congruent sympathy for your perspective, goals etc.
I don’t feel a lot of . . . motivation to get behind some structured movement sort of thing. I think it is an exercise in futility wasted and the enemy benefits from the waste.
1. I do believe that FEEPERS taking docs from FR and giving them out to their social network is well worth doing.
2. I feel that PRAYER MORE THAN ANY OTHER THING . . . PARTICULARLY PRAYER AND FASTING WILL TURN OUT TO EQUAL . . . WHAT . . . an hour of prayer = 100 hours of community organizing? I don’t know but AT LEAST something like that, I’d bet.
3. The Bible is very clear that the globalist oligarchy WILL BE IN CHARGE for 3.5-7 years OVERTLY. We don’t have a measure of how long the birth pangs leading up to such horrors will last.
4. Certainly the globalist oligarchy has been busy for AT LEAST a hundred years as the ref’d quotes in my tag line attest. Certainly the oligarchy is not just going to wake up on a Monday morning and decide to take over the world by Wednesday.
5. They have had essentially ALL the political power of any consequence over the whole world for at least 100 years. They have had essentially MOST of the megabucks moneyed interests for at least 100 years . . . some say 400 years.
6. They WILL ADVANCE THEIR AGENDA TOWARD TRAITOROUS TYRANNICAL TREASONOUS GLOBAL SATANIC DICTATORSHIP APACE REGARDLESS of what Christians do or don’t do. That’s clearly a Biblical fact.
7. It is POSSIBLE that in some significant but relatively non-central areas . . . Christians COULD delay and moderate what would otherwise have been much worse.
8. It is likely, imho, that Christians WORKING TOGETHER IN UNITY OF CHRIST’S BLOOD AND SPIRIT
8.1 IN A GIVEN LOCALE—CITY, NEIGHBORHOOD, COUNTY COULD ESTABLISH A SAFE-HAVEN SPHERE PROTECTED SUPERNATURALLY BY ANGELIC ARMIES ETC. ETC. FOR HOWEVER LONG GOD SAW FIT TO ARRANGE THAT AND CERTAINLY DEPENDENT ON THE PRAYERS, UNITY, LOVE, ETC. DEMONSTRATED BY SAID CHRISTIANS IN SAID LOCALE. I suspect 24/7 prayer would be necessary in such a context.
9. The Church of Jesus Christ will likely have it’s finest hours ahead. But it will NOT be any semblance of THE CHURCH as it has typically been known in history and certainly in recent years. IT WILL INSTEAD BE THE CHURCH UNIVERSAL MADE UP OF EVERYONE WHO PUTS GOD FIRST AND FOREMOST; LOVES OTHERS AS SELF AND DOES UNTO OTHERS . . . WHO MAKE PRAYER AND FASTING A SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY AND WHO LOVE NOT THEIR OWN LIVES UNTO DEATH.
10. PETTY AND EVEN SOME NOT SO PETTY DENOMINATIONAL DISTINCTIVES WILL FALL BY THE WAYSIDE AS INCONSEQUENTIAL IN VIEW OF WHAT GOD IS DOING AT THE MOMENT IN A GIVEN LOCALE, GROUP ETC. Folks who still cling defiantly, stubbornly to the denominational distinctives may well be taken home early; sidelined to neutralize their danger to the group and/or end up wholesale in the enemy’s camp for their stubborn refusal to tune into WHAT GOD IS CLEARLY DOING in that situation at that time.
11. This will be true of RC’s, Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, . . . every kind of label you can think of. Man’s labels and Man’s structures will count for ZERO in the coming months . . . even less than ZERO. They will be seen FROM HEAVEN’S PERSPECTIVE typically as trashy charades; shells of sham and shame compared to THE CHURCH Christ died for and has been working to lead more and more purely these 2000 years.
12. The Church Christ died for and will increasingly overtly lead in accomplish great exploits for THE KINGDOM OF GOD in coming months WILL BE GATHERED BY HOLY SPIRIT FROM ALL FLAVORS AND TYPES OF GROUPS AND DENOMINATIONS. SAINTS THEREBY GATHERED WILL NOT CARE what the backgrounds of fellow saints are—only DO THEY LOVE GOD UNSURPASSINGLY, UNCOMPROMISINGLY; OTHERS AS SELF; DO UNTO OTHERS; WALK IN THE UNITY OF CHRIST’S BLOOD AND SPIRIT; WALK LED OF HOLY SPIRIT. All else will be chaff at best and dangerous poison and sabotaging deadliness at worst.
You said — You misunderstand me. I did not say that the primary objectives of Christians is to wait for the Rapture. All I am saying is that it some Christians seem to have this attitude and I think it is a form of escapism.
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Ummm..., I don’t think I misunderstood you. I did “get” that you don’t consider the Doctrine of the Rapture to be worth considering... :-)
I’m saying that politics are not the primary concern or responsibility of Christians, and that the teaching of the Rapture has absolutely nothing to do with politics...
The answer (for politics, that is...) is you “grow the Christian numbers” — the politics will automatically take care of itself.
So, Christians don’t need to concentrate on “politics”, they need to concentrate on the Gospel message...
I am not saying that the Rapture is not important. What I am saying is that some people are neglecting their here and now responsibilities by not being more aware of what is going on in their country. The purpose of having a republic is to have participation by a well informed citizenry.
Here is an example—Obama is getting 80% approval ratings! Some of those people must be Christians. As a Massachusetts Catholic, I have been dismayed to see Catholics voting for pro-abortion candidates such as Kennedy and Kerry for many years. Something is getting lost in the translation. We are supposed to be a Christian nation yet we are voting more like a European socialist nation.
I like to know what is going on in the world and I have been that way since I was a teenager. But, just because I am that way and the people on freerepublic are that way, doesn’t mean that we are the majority. I believe that we are the minority. I think most people do not go out of their way to seek out information. They are not well informed and it doesn’t help that a liberal news source such as AP controls most of the news that people read in their local papers. Nor does it help that our schools and tv media are dominated by liberals. That is why I think that the churches should be doing something to inform Christians. I know that there are great Christian advocacy organizations but not every churgh goer belongs to any of these groups.
I was hoping you’d find this.
I got sidetracked before I could ping you.
Give me a few minutes to review the thread.
You said — I am not saying that the Rapture is not important.
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The Doctrine of the Rapture has absolutely nothing to do with what’s going on in this country. That’s what I’m saying...
You’re bringing up a “straw-man issue” for the sake of bemoaning the sorry state of affairs, in terms of the “so-called” Christians and what they are doing. I was just posting on another thread about the declining state of Christianity in this country (a Newsweek magazine article). What I was basically saying there is that it’s the “dead wood” that is being cleared out of Christianity, and not really the true Christians, themselves falling away.
So, what you’re saying about the approval ratings — I’m saying merely represents “so-called” Christians (that “dead wood”) and not true ones...
The true numbers of Christians are really a lot smaller than what is indicated in popular polls, where some people think they are a “Christian” because they are born in America... LOL...
Ho-Hum...
This is such an easy toss... It is the work of Liberals, largely in the '60s and forward which have extended the "separation of Church and state" to the ground (ie all the way down to the individual).
Prior to that time, the so called "separation" was limited to the federal level (Congress shall make no law...). It was liberal federal judges acting by fiat, who removed the sovereign right of the states respectively wrt religious matters. It is not the gist of the founding fathers intentions, nor can you prove it to be so. The curtain of separation was meant to extend no further than the federal level.
Also, prior to that time, and reaching all the way into our very beginning, Blackstone's Law (influenced heavily by the Bible) and the Holy Bible itself were regularly used in law at all levels in our courts. No other holy book was given this regard.
Furthermore, prior to the 60's, with hardly an exception, all of the tested law was specifically regarding denominations with the odd Deist or Hebrew thrown in. IOW, prior to the '60s certainly prior to the 50's, States had full right to religious testing and law, School prayer, Sabbath laws and all, and the only tested law (AFAIR) was between Christian denominations, or at the least Jehovah-centric religions.
The only deference to religion other than Christianity ever given here historically was to our Hebrew brothers, and rightly so. Their God is our God. Their sense of law and order, their sense of ethic is extremely similar to ours, and therefore assimilation into our culture, while remaining separate, has never been an issue.
It is absolutely inarguable that we were born a Christian nation. Others were tolerated if they were peaceful and assimilated into our culture and obeyed our sense of ethics and laws, but to suggest that it was not Christian in every sense, and at every level is to be utterly blind.
The rights of states had to be knocked down in order to institute federally mandated socialism/multiculturalism. You are *for* that?
[... We are supposed to be a Christian nation yet we are voting more like a European socialist nation...]
AHA!... There it is. You think we are a Christian
nation. We were founded on Judeo Christian principles,
but now that we have abandoned them, the glue is gone
and the great ship America is disintegrating.
Your Catholic voters may be “religious”, but certainly
by their voting record, they are not Biblically literate.
Thus you have answered your own query. It is not
Christians who neglect their political responsibilities.
It is rather the “spiritually” hijacked who have left
their Christian moorings and abdicated to the dark side.
You said — We were founded on Judeo Christian principles, but now that we have abandoned them, the glue is gone and the great ship America is disintegrating.
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Yes, as a “nation” we certainly have done that, to the great dismay of the many Christians who do live in this country. It’s a sad state of affairs.
It would be wonderful to see a revival like Ninevah had, when Jonah preached God’s message of His coming judgment (they repented and were spared).
I don’t quite see that happening here and now, though...
Your Catholic voters may be “religious”, but certainly
by their voting record, they are not Biblically literate.
Thus you have answered your own query. It is not
Christians who neglect their political responsibilities.
It is rather the “spiritually” hijacked who have left
their Christian moorings and abdicated to the dark side.
WELL PUT.
1. “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian... this is a Christian nation”. United States Supreme Court 1892.
2. “We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of heaven... but we have forgotten God. It behooves us, then to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.” - Abraham Lincoln -
3. “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” President Thomas Jefferson.
4. “The first and almost the only Book deserving of universal attention is the Bible”. John Quincy Adams.
5. “All the good from the Saviour of the world is communicated through this Book; but for the Book we could not know right from wrong... “ Abraham Lincoln.
6. “The Bible is the one supreme source of revelation of the meaning of life, the nature of God and spiritual nature and need of men. It is the only guide of life which really leads the spirit in the way of peace and salvation.” Woodrow Wilson
7. “Go to the Scriptures, the joyful promises it contains will be a balsam to all your troubles.” Andrew Jackson
8. “The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.“ Calvin Coolidge
When I see those kinds of quotes, from time to time, it’s simply flabbergasting to realize how our leaders are *today* compared to those in the past... amazing!
You understand God and religion about as well as an 11 year old understands romance.
Hubby watched History channel’s trashing of Abraham
Lincoln. (Could have been National Geographic Channel).
Tried to say Lincoln had male lovers.
They have no bottom to their base lack of character.
They are the blind men of Sodom scratching at the door.
Thanks Quix. You put everything into perspective.
[... The answer is “grow the Christian numbers” — the politics will automatically take care of itself.
So, Christians don’t need to concentrate on “politics”, they need to concentrate on the Gospel message...]
Just thought this should be repeated.
THANKS.
SAVING THOSE EXCELLENT QUOTES IN A WORD FILE.
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