Posted on 04/05/2009 2:48:57 PM PDT by JoeProBono
There has been a rash of recent UFO activity in the southern California region. Recent reports include:
Los Angeles, CA - 4/4/2009 - Witness observed what they first thought to be a star, but noticed that the object was spinning. The object had flashing blue, white, and red lights and appeared to be far away, possibly travelling over the ocean. It hovered steadily, but would also move up and down. The red lights seemed to be more laser-like and would flash out. Witness said that there were times where the red light was pointed right on their eye.
Santa Cruz, CA - 4/3/2009 - Witness noticed three lights moving exceptionally fast, from east to west, along the Monterey Bay coast. The lights moved in unison, changing directions several times, then disappeared after about ten seconds. The lights appeared to be a dull, dark red, and did not flash or blink. Witness estimated the altitude of several thousand feet. There was no sound, and the object appeared to travel at a much greater speed than a conventional aircraft or satellite. The witness stated that the speed was similar to a "shooting star", except that the three lights changed directions and moved together.
Moreno Valley, CA - 4/1/2009 - Witness observed the object through binoculars and described strange flashing lights. The lights kept flashing red, blue, white, and appeared to be rotating rather than fixed on the wing of an aircraft.
Port Hueneme, CA - 4/1/2009 - Witness observed a bright star-like light moving across the sky. There were no blinking lights and the light maintained the same level of brilliance. The object continued moving away from the witness, heading south towards Malibu. The bright light started to slowly dim, then turned red, before finally disappearing. A few minutes the witness heard the roar of fighter jets flying extremely low up and down the coast for a period of roughly 15 minutes.
OK, picture 2 is a bundt pan someone tossed into the air.
UFO sightings in Japan in the news today too. The Mother Ship is getting ready to pick up Calypso Louis. I say, hand him over ASAP. Take Barry Soetero too, Soetoro, whatever, just take him away.
Weird! Just three nights ago, here in the Eastern Sierra, I saw a bright light to the east which I first took to be a star or planet, then as I noticed that it was moving, it suddenly disapeared, like someone shut off the lights.
The mothership that screwey looie Farakan fondley speaks of has come home to join his fradulency king Obama the annointed one to save the world. praise be to achmed!
Very strange happenings in the Golden State.
“sonic booms” on west coast too, too reported by people well experienced in what earthquakes sound like
Doubt these have any more validity than the hot air balloons with flairs in NJ. LOL.
(tin foil hat on folks)
Now I know why our goverment has a hand in all this crap goverment spending, Lost bailout funds etc.
Anybody remember the movie Deep Impact.
Goverment cover-ups for massive spending to dig holes in the ground to “save” us from impending doom from the comet.
Only now it’s to “save” us from little green men in their spaceships.
(tin foil hat off)
Coming in in droves from outer space hoping to receive a bailout. Word spreads fast when America’s $ presses are spittin’ it out and just givin’ it away.
In other news Obama supporters bid farewell to the aliens who helped swell the roles of Obama voters and insure the new president’s election.
UFO B PING LIST PING.
You do seem to have one of the corners on the doubting market.
I’m curious . . . is there anything of substance that you
BELIEVE IN
vs
being
‘agin-it?’
Anyone know how many Americans, if any, have actually opened fire on UFO’s? That is, shot at them with guns of one sort of another?
Makes me think that the increase in sightings and such will continue, and be used as a basis for consolidating military power in our world. The governments, I believe, will use this as just one more reason we should have a “World Government”, and use it to solidify power.
I can’t remember the name of the incident, but back in the 1950s I believe our military in Southern California lit up a UFO with spotlights, and did fire weapons at it.
I’m SURE someone on the thread can provide the name of the incident I’m thinking of.
I’ve also heard that many people who come face-to-face with these things are so shocked that they can’t react. (Whether that’s pure fear, or something in the “aliens” arsenal remains to be seen). I happen to think this is the same reason we don’t have any “Close-up” photos.
Yes: truth.
It was the Los Angeles mass sightings that included anti-aircraft fire on our part as well as planes launched against them.
I forget the year.
Maybe Dave or DC Patriot will recall better.
I don’t think so.
If TRUTH was your paragon priority, then you’d be much more rational and reasonable about the balance between a
TYPE I ERROR RISK
VS A
TYPE II ERROR RISK
INSTEAD
of putting all your eggs in the basket toward avoiding only a TYPE I ERROR RISK.
That virtually INSURES that you will suffer at least some horrific TYPE II ERRORS.
Thanks for the ping.
And you for your kind reply.
Have a blessed week.
Whatever. Why do you waste your time making up terms that make sense to nobody but you, and then acting as if you are making a good point?
It would be different if you used terms that actually exist, and asked your interlocutor to consider alternate meanings...but instead you’re just wasting good computer memory.
Early 40’s ???(I recall the photo on the newspaper, from WWII?)
Are you THAT ignorant about
TYPE I ERRORS VS TYPE II ERRORS?
And you expect us to think your pontifications naysaying about UFO realities have any substance whatsoever?
Try this link . . . Even Wiki has it right about
TYPE I VS TYPE II ERRORS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_I_and_type_II_errors
I don’t recall for sure but I THINK it was either just at the end of WWII or just after when tensions were still high.
It’s conceivable it was in the early 50’s. But I think you are probably right. It was probably in the 40’s.
Explain to me, oh wise one, how abstract statistical concepts relate to whether a “sighting” in NJ (breathlessly accepted as real) was or was not caused by two punks attaching flares to weather balloons?
In statistics, the terms Type I error (also, α error, or false positive) and type II error (β error, or a false negative) are used to describe possible errors made in a statistical decision process. In 1928, Jerzy Neyman (1894-1981) and Egon Pearson (1895-1980), both eminent statisticians, discussed the problems associated with "deciding whether or not a particular sample may be judged as likely to have been randomly drawn from a certain population" (1928/1967, p.1): and identified "two sources of error", namely:
In 1930, they elaborated on these two sources of error, remarking that "in testing hypotheses two considerations must be kept in view, (1) we must be able to reduce the chance of rejecting a true hypothesis to as low a value as desired; (2) the test must be so devised that it will reject the hypothesis tested when it is likely to be false"[1]
In layman's language . . .
TRYING to put it in language for all the Jr High level debunkers and naysayers out there . . .
A TYPE I ERROR = SAYING SOMETHING !!!IS!!! THERE then NOTHING is there.
A TYPE II ERROR = saying NOTHING IS THERE
WHEN actually SOMETHING IS THERE!
It turns out to be the nature of REALITY that one CANNOT run too far from the risk of a TYPE I ERROR without running headlong into the virtual certainty of becoming victim of a TYPE II ERROR.
Amazingly, virtually all the naysayers ever plaguing a UFO thread seem to be either thoroughly ignorant of these facts--OR--to mindlessly pretend they don't apply to THEIR death grips on TYPE II ERROR probabilities.
What BALDERDASH! What unmitigated hypocrisy! What cluelessness!
However, it does afford the rest of us some amusement at their lack of personal insight alongside rank willful blindness.
I’ll try . . . simply and briefly. Otherwise, it gets far too tedious to bother that much.
1. WHEN one sets up a criteria of proof that becomes outrageously unrealistic—say well beyond what would be needed to convict a murderer to die for murder . . .
2. THEN one has set up a virtual certainty of being bitten by the consequences of insuring a virtual certainty of a TYPE II ERROR.
3. The hoaxes are weeded out—certainly eventually—and what’s left are . . . VERY SOLID TESTIMONIAL AND OTHER EVIDENCE.
4. for example . . . MORE THAN 4,000 TRACE LANDING CASES WHEREIN SOLID SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION HAS PROVEN TANGIBLE EVIDENCE . . . FROM magnetic anomolies; soil anomolies, vegetation anomolies and even trace elements not normal for the terrain.
5. Naysayers seem compulsively addicted to insisting that ALL EVIDENCE IS HOAXED EVIDENCE . . . drum roll, because they say it is. That’s idiotic—AND A SETUP-FOR BEING VICTIMIZED BY A TYPE II ERROR.
6. The above facts and conclusions are EASILY ARRIVED AT by a minimum of thoughtful pondering—even by folks with an average IQ and an average level of fair-mindedness.
Oh please ASLANs, get off your high horse. Your problem is that you see yourself as having escaped the limitations of modern scientific rationalism, when in fact you are still enslaved by the limitations of the jargon of modern science. In all seriousness, you need to start over, begin with the human things, wrestle with human opinion and a better understanding of human desire, and thereby find a more complete avenue to reality.
Except in some eastern Asian nations, modern science is not taken that seriously anymore. Therefore, your battle against it is moot.
Anyway, back to the point: what does any of this have to do with the two guys in NJ who are now under arrest?
BTW,
Evidently you are . . . uninformed . . . to put it charitably and gently . . .
ABSTRACT STATISTICAL TERMS
have served science
AND THE COMMON MAN fairly well for a long time . . .
in analyzing, testing, hypotheses
having to do with hard reality
REGARDING EVERYTHING
from medicine break-throughs
to how to build 747’s safely and cost effectively.
to how to build safer tires
and better water purification systems . . .
and safer foods . . .
Soooooooooo, I guess, IF
you haven’t traveled by planes, or traveled on tires or taken any medicines or drank any water or eaten any foods
in your lifetime,
then you MIGHT not have benefited from such ABSTRACT STATISTICAL constructs and their use.
Silly non-sequiturs are not exactly HELPING your side.
LOL.
Initially some folks made a TYPE I ERROR believing something was there of an authentic UFO nature.
Time and investigation proved that.
Time and investigation on other cases have proven that there WAS MOST LIKELY, AUTHENTIC UFO PHENOMENA GOING ON.
YET, IN THOSE CASES, naysayers ADDICTED TO TYPE II ERRORS make such outrageous errors routinely . . . ignorantly pretending that THEY are the scientific ones.
You are evidently as ignorant about me as you are the UFO topic. Otherwise you’d know that I have ranted frequently against the RELIGION OF SCIENTISM.
BTW, Jolly Roger, YOU CHOSE TO COME ON A UFO THREAD and make an intellectual dork of yourself with your mindless naysaying. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Thanks for the info. I thought it was LA, but wasn’t sure.
2HardDrive: Here is the Wikipedia entry for what is commonly called the “Battle of Los Angeles”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
The incident happened on the night of February 24 & 25, 1942. So you were right LVD, it was during WWII. In fact, the reason they were probably so “alert” was that on February 23rd, a Japanese submarine had surfaced off the coast and fired on a Santa Barbara Oil Production facility, and word was the submarine headed south after the incident towards LA.
This incident was witnessed by a great many people, was accompanied by air raid sirens, and was covered in papers up and down the Pacific Coast and apparently some National mass media coverage as well. Newspaper photos are included on the WikiPage.
Hope this helps. :)
Not being in psychology, I don’t really know about type II errors, and I’d even agree that the majority of these UFO cases can be explained prosaically. But there are enough examples of bizarre unexplained cases out there, testified to by people of unquestioned professional disciplines, including members of the US military, that no thinking person can dismiss the possibility that the explanations for the phenomena are non ordinary, whether they attributed to alien intelligences, creatures from another dimension, or some other as yet unhypothesized reality. At least IMHO ;-)
HELPS MY AGING MEMORY A LOT!
I knew there was a term for it but hadn’t dredged up
THE BATTLE of LA
THANKS THANKS.
RIGHT YOU ARE.
EVEN IF
there were only 1-5 cases that were unexplainable by conventional means and ‘science,’
THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO SIGNAL THAT THINGS WERE BEYOND VERY CURIOUS IN RIVER CITY.
THE MORE THAN 4,000 TRACE LANDING CASES ARE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN 1-5 CASES.
And that doesn’t get into all the other VERY SOLID 100’s and thousands of other cases not involving trace landing evidence.
BTW, TYPE I & II errors are not only involved in psychology.
Sounds like something I saw over Green Valley, Arizona in 2005.
BTW,
my energy is not REALLY as personal as it may seem.
It is directed at all the chronic mindless naysaying that routinely assaults UFO threads and hinders those of us who ARE well read on the topic and at least who have a serious interest AND WHO WANT TO DISCUSS THINGS RATIONALLY, sensibly
from doing so in a reasonably charitable and comfortable environment.
We have to wade through endless silly pics and endless ignorant posts of great hostility and derisiveness.
It gets old fast.
So, I’ve developed a quick reflex to slap down such jerky postings as best I can. It’s the least I can do and the least I owe the more than 150 members of our UFO ping lists who just want to have a chance to discuss the topic reasonably without a lot of idiotic harrassment from folks who don’t seem to have a clue nor a fair-minded brain cell in their bodies.
How close would you guesstimate it was?
And how big relative to your thumbnail or fist extended at arm’s length?
Exactly ... you rant against the “religion of scientism” while, unbeknownst to you, you are still trapped and limited by the assumptions of scientism. That is my point exactly. Thank you for confirming it.
Perhaps a few more Greek philosophers and religious mystics, and a few less 20th century statisticians, need to find their way to your library.
As for the point you make ad nauseum about UFO’s ... I have some sympathy for it. I believe in many matters, such as claims of divine revelation, doubt is never an appropriate knee-jerk reaction...however, that doesn’t mean I should take the claims of every Branch Davidian or Heaven’s Gate leader seriously. Sometimes the lunacy is obvious even to the smallest child who has never even heard of the scientific method.
TRUE ENOUGH.
THX.
Though you are actually wrong about my . . . awareness about the flaws of science and about my allegiance to them.
Hmmmm.
Thx.
LOL.
You’re welcome. I started reading through the Wiki page on it and the related links at the bottom are pretty interesting.
One I’ve read that analyzes the Times photo and such is here:
http://brumac.8k.com/BATTLEOFLA/BOLA1.html
That page also includes some eyewitness testimonies, as well as information on people who died during the event (1 car accident, 1 heart attack of an LEO on the way to a post), also info. on people who were arrested during the event for failing to abide by the blackout.
It’s a really fascinating case. People all over in the morning were going around picking up spent bullets and shrapnel and such from the AA fire. But, there was never any evidence that the object identified in the sky and lit up with about 6-9 spotlights was ever touched despite what must’ve been THOUSANDS (or Hundreds of Thousands) of rounds fired within a half-hour period of time.
INDEED.
/mark
Miles.Was in my sister's back yard looking west, watching jets of some kind appearing to fly as fast west as they could and then come back.(repeatedly) Davis-Monthan is up I-19. I had binoculars.
I looked Southwest and saw what looked like a pulsating star. Through binoculars It looked like it had red green, yellow, red and white lights rotating in an eccentric fashion. Almost like one of those weighted baby toy balls. It also appeared to have no lateral movement. It was not close so I can't judge size. It was no blimp flying over that part of the Sonoran Desert.
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