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Earliest chocolate use found in Chaco Canyon ( New Mexico )
Associated Press ^ | 02/02/2009

Posted on 02/02/2009 9:59:00 PM PST by george76

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To: Vermont Lt

If you’d stayed the night camping the temperature demands
a jacket at night. Chaco’s elev is 6100+ ft.
For neat reading that includes Chaco I recommend
Tony Hillerman’s “A Thief of Time”.


21 posted on 02/03/2009 6:34:34 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: george76

The history of commerce is fascinating.


22 posted on 02/03/2009 7:05:39 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Is the north road closed ?

It was a dirt / high clearance / jeep road last time we were there.


23 posted on 02/03/2009 8:58:49 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SuzyQue

The astronomy is fun to think about there.


24 posted on 02/03/2009 9:00:01 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TaMoDee

Good rock art . Not just pretty pictures.

The lunar stand still site in Colorado is fun.


25 posted on 02/03/2009 9:05:26 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Cold Heart

The trading from the Pacific Ocean, Mexico, Mn, and more was apparently quite active.


26 posted on 02/03/2009 9:07:58 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Diana in Wisconsin

Mmmmmmmm chocolate. Historic Chaco Canyon chocolate even ;o)


27 posted on 02/03/2009 9:31:42 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: george76

I love raw cacao powder and hot creole chocolate tea in the morning!


28 posted on 02/03/2009 9:32:40 PM PST by cyborg (Enough studying. Let's get on it with already!)
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To: george76
Haven't been to Chaco but, if you're in the area, Bandelier National Mon. and similar sites are worth checking out.

http://www.nps.gov/band/

29 posted on 02/04/2009 4:14:07 AM PST by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: TaMoDee

I wish I could have stayed overnight. I was on my way from Santa Fe to Phoenix. Got up at the crack of dawn (still on east coast time) and drove out...its in the middle of nowhere. Spent most of the day and drove on.

It is certainly on the list of places where I want to spend more time. Its an amazing place.


30 posted on 02/04/2009 5:04:14 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: george76

There is a north access road, but it now leads into the east end of the park. The one we took at the time led into the west end (State Route 57), and if you look at the atlas, that road has apparently since been closed (actually, one atlas shows it is closed, another says it still exists, and yet a 3rd one says “closed to traffic”). We took a regular car on that washboard road (which at the time, the atlases stated was OK to do), but I think it actually did some damage to the car, we ended up having to get a new car just 6 months later. IIRC, it took about 2 hours each way just to drive the 26 or so miles back and forth.

Of course, the reason all the roads in are unpaved is to discourage a lot of tourist traffic. The Park Service only wants people that absolutely wish to see those spectacular ruins and not just folks coming in on a lark, especially in their Battle Cruiser Winnebagos. It’s a pain, but I can understand.

The following day we drove up to Hovenweep (now under the “Canyon of the Ancients”), and the maps showed the route in on the Utah side as unpaved, but we were pleasantly surprised to find the road into the one segment was paved (apparently the atlases still show the road as unpaved, probably requested by the Park Service again, so as to discourage people, as with Chaco). Drove over from Hovenweep to nearby Mesa Verde and spent two days on the mesa top. All great sites.


31 posted on 02/04/2009 6:03:45 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: george76

Yes, the McDonald Observatory visitors’ center is based (loosely) on Chaco.


32 posted on 02/04/2009 10:18:41 AM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: george76

Chocolate is used as an ingredient in chili like dishes.

It was not the sweetened candy of today.

When Chaco was abandoned, the community may have moved along the Chaco meridian three times. Twice north to Soloman and then too Aztec. The move south was into what is now Mexico and all kinds of stuff from further south was present. There was major trade with the south.


33 posted on 02/04/2009 4:31:42 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: TaMoDee; blam; jazusamo; Pharmboy; LucyT

Ancient Pueblo Great House Yielding Unexpected Findings ( note the twin towers in Bluff, too )

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-05/UoCa-APGH-190598.php

The Bluff site is thought to be one of about 150 Chacoan “outlier” sites that were connected to Chaco Canyon

http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2002/276.html

Roughly 150 Chaco “outliers” up to hundreds of miles distant ...

“Things started to happen in Chaco in the 9th century,” said Lekson. “At that time, small settlements outside the canyon were fighting with each other. With the rise of Chaco, that raiding and feuding ended.”

http://www.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/spew4th.pl?ascribeid=20030217.065820&time=1332PST&year=2003&public=1


34 posted on 02/04/2009 5:43:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Back in 1982 or so I traveled Hwy 57 from the south pulling a travel trailer. I came across a BLM truck that had yards of barbed wire wrapped around the rear axle. I had a chain cutter along and we got it free in short order. I asked: How did that happen?” The answer: “The people that live along this road don’t want tourists using it!”
Be aware of local IBWD’s. (IBWD = Improvised Barded Wire
Devices)


35 posted on 02/04/2009 6:02:21 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: TaMoDee

We went in ‘93. Good thing that didn’t happen to us or we’d have been stuck for a good long while ! As I recall, we could barely do maybe 12 or so MPH on the road (you can go faster than that on a gravel drive).


36 posted on 02/04/2009 6:10:21 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Vermont Lt; george76

See my Post #35. (Forgot to add you (col) to the list.


37 posted on 02/04/2009 6:10:57 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Vermont Lt; george76

Traveling out there in the great beyond of the SW is a real experience BUT you have to be prepared. The SW is the great
unexplored of this Great Nation.


38 posted on 02/04/2009 6:17:27 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: TaMoDee

Navajos aka Apaches ...Athabaskan speakers also living in Alaska


39 posted on 02/04/2009 6:21:07 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TaMoDee
The Sierra Club and their friends have been closing access to millions of acres of public lands.

This will get even worse soon.

.

40 posted on 02/04/2009 6:26:19 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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