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Bar owner: Smoking ban doesn't legally apply to cigarettes
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | María Villaseñor | 12/30/2008

Posted on 01/01/2009 1:26:02 PM PST by CE2949BB

Cheers To You bar owner Robert Brown wants his customers to smoke if they want to.

And Brown said he found a way to keep his private club in Salt Lake City smoker-friendly despite, or maybe because of, the Jan. 1 smoking ban.

But Utah Department of Health officials, in a formal declaration issued Tuesday, said that loophole doesn't exist, and the smoking ban stays.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cigarettes; judiciary; nannystate; pufflist; smokingban

1 posted on 01/01/2009 1:26:03 PM PST by CE2949BB
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To: CE2949BB

An A for effort.......


2 posted on 01/01/2009 1:28:20 PM PST by GQuagmire
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To: CE2949BB
hookahs -- a type of water pipe -- would be permitted. Such pipes are allowed only if nontobacco-based items are used...
Do I smell the stench of an Islamic Exception here?
3 posted on 01/01/2009 1:32:55 PM PST by samtheman
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To: CE2949BB

You’re on a posting frenzy today.

I’m not a smoker (never have smoked a cig in my life in fact), but I have a huge problem with smoking bans like this. The justification is persuasive for GOVERNMENT buildings since people sometimes have to go to those, but despite the health risks, I am not at all convinced that private property rights should be destroyed because some people choose to partake in an unhealthy activity. If the restaurant or club allows smoking, I simply don’t have to go or I can sit in a non-smoking section. Vote with the wallet and feet.


4 posted on 01/01/2009 1:34:06 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: CE2949BB
Let me get this! She's not allowed in the bar 'cause she's smokin'


5 posted on 01/01/2009 1:36:54 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: CE2949BB
The Main Street bar owner said he found the inconsistency a few weeks ago while figuring out what the law banned and if hookahs -- a type of water pipe -- would be permitted. Such pipes are allowed only if nontobacco-based items are used, according to the health department.

LOL!! Pull any gas into your lungs but that created by tobacco and the Health Department is A-OK!

6 posted on 01/01/2009 1:37:36 PM PST by randog (Hope is a bad business plan.)
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To: Young Werther

Looks like one of my ex-girlfriends. :\

She had natural - and slightly smaller - boobs, but the face is eerily similar.


7 posted on 01/01/2009 1:41:10 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

And you let her go why?


8 posted on 01/01/2009 1:42:15 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: CE2949BB

Nevermind, just realized the :/ in your post probably meant that you didn’t want to break up with her. Sorry, didn’t mean to be a douchebag.


9 posted on 01/01/2009 1:43:55 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Young Werther

How come most blondes I run across dye their roots black?


10 posted on 01/01/2009 1:46:01 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A democrat will break your leg, then hand you a crutch and take credit for your being able to walk.)
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To: CE2949BB
Well, if he wants to get all technical with the language...

3) "'Tobacco product' does not include a cigarette."

"a cigarette". After the first cigarette, he's out of compliance since it is only true for "a" cigarette

11 posted on 01/01/2009 1:47:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (B. O. Stinks!!!)
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To: NinoFan
You’re on a posting frenzy today.

Going thru my RSS feeds. ;)

I’m not a smoker (never have smoked a cig in my life in fact),

I've smoked for over a decade. Tried to quit a hundred times, but I'm an addict. I'll stop permanently someday.

but I have a huge problem with smoking bans like this.

Agreed. :)

I've always thought punishing adults for smoking is pointless and cruel, so the focus should be on preventing kids from taking up the habit/addiction.

12 posted on 01/01/2009 1:48:28 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Young Werther

Hello!


13 posted on 01/01/2009 1:48:48 PM PST by GQuagmire
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To: GQuagmire
An A for effort.......

But he get’s a F for Futility.

Even if he were to win this fight the state would simply modify the law to close the loop hole.

14 posted on 01/01/2009 1:52:58 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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And you let her go why?

Neither of us "let" the other go. It wasn't a clean break.

She pops up every couple/few months and bugs me. Barf.

Nevermind, just realized the :/ in your post probably meant that you didn’t want to break up with her.

If she ever gets professional help for her mental problems, I'll think about it. She's very resistant to getting any help.

I'm convinced she has HPD or something similar.

Sorry, didn’t mean to be a douchebag.

Don't worry about it. I didn't take it that way. :)

15 posted on 01/01/2009 1:58:47 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

“I’ve always thought punishing adults for smoking is pointless and cruel, so the focus should be on preventing kids from taking up the habit/addiction.”

I think punishing them for such an activity violates certain “god-given” rights, but I realize that I’m in the minority on this. I agree that it makes much more sense to focus on prevention than punishment. Not sure how I feel about government spending for that though. But given that such an ideal world of minimal government is likely to never happen, I suppose one has to pick his battles carefully and do the best that he can within the system .


16 posted on 01/01/2009 2:08:49 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: CE2949BB

Utah is such a nanny state, I’m surprised to see that it took them this long to getting around to a smoking ban. Maybe the difficulty was the byzantine liquor laws they have that requires bars and taverns to be “private clubs” instead.


17 posted on 01/01/2009 2:15:44 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Roots??? Black????

Is that some kinda racist comment?

18 posted on 01/01/2009 2:20:45 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: CE2949BB

Kill a baby in the womb, you have that choice, but you do not have this choice:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2157333/posts

Unbelievable.


19 posted on 01/01/2009 2:27:23 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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Endless loop? It boggles the mind! ;)


20 posted on 01/01/2009 2:39:15 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: CE2949BB
I'm convinced she has HPD or something similar.

Interesting. That link pretty much describes every young lady I dated in my 20s. They could fake normalcy for a few weeks or months but then the veil would slip and and their "inner nut" would come out to play.

21 posted on 01/01/2009 2:54:57 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

If scientists ever manage to figure out the mystery that is the female mind, then we can be sure that the end will be very near. ;)


22 posted on 01/01/2009 3:00:54 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Young Werther

WoW!


23 posted on 01/01/2009 3:05:03 PM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: Colonel Jim
Did you notice where her left pointing finger is pointing?

U U

-->V


24 posted on 01/01/2009 5:09:18 PM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: NinoFan

As a smoker, I’m still waiting for my ‘piece of the pie’ of the literally hundreds of millions the tobacco companies have paid to various states under various “class action” lawsuits - the only group these lawsuits helped was big government and lawyers. imo. Nicotine gum still costs $25-35 and patches are even more expensive. If the powers that be can hand out free condoms and bc pills, why no free nicotine patches?


25 posted on 01/01/2009 6:22:43 PM PST by blueplum
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