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Mail list of Liberal Forum: "We Want to Redistribute Wealth because Whites enslaved Blacks"
Maillist of the Liberal Forums ^ | 10/31/08 | drzz

Posted on 10/31/2008 11:20:59 AM PDT by drzz

"Audio clip of State Senator Barack Obama in a 2001 radio interview in which he talks about the Supreme Courts reluctance to redistribute wealth to correct inequality, and he says it's one of the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement that it focused too much on the courts and not enough on organizing communities to push for legislation to bring about redistributive change.

Yes, white America was guilty of enslaving blacks and redistributing wealth will certainly right a wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Listen to the end and be proud to be liberal. David Rutstein,

The Liberal Forum's Proud Owner"


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: communist; election2008; elections; mccain; nobama08; obama

1 posted on 10/31/2008 11:21:02 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz

I want restitution for the Eqyptians enslaving my ancestors.

Also, I understand the English and several others want restitution for the Roman occupation.

That said, I make restitution every April 15.


2 posted on 10/31/2008 11:23:06 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: drzz

And blacks sold other blacks to the slavers. So what?


3 posted on 10/31/2008 11:23:15 AM PDT by spaced
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To: spaced

this is communist propaganda at its best: pushing for the Black Rage and redistribution


4 posted on 10/31/2008 11:24:31 AM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: drzz

I wasn’t even 8 years old then. I do not support the institutions of slavery, segregation, and racism. They are contrary to the principles of this nation.

But as I say, I wasn’t even 8 years old then, and if that is good enough to explain away any of Bill Ayers’ actions and Barack Obama’s association with this man, then it should be good enough to exempt me from any financial obligation.


5 posted on 10/31/2008 11:24:39 AM PDT by weegee (Global Climate Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE. vote NO on Obama-Biden.)
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To: drzz

You know something... neither I, nor my father, nor his father, nor even HIS father EVER owned a slave. So, I would like to say that any Black American thinking I owe them because of the slavery issue is nothing more than a fool.


6 posted on 10/31/2008 11:25:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: weegee

Liberals link slavery to marxism and sell the whole package as the revenge of the minorities.

Lenin’s playbook


7 posted on 10/31/2008 11:25:51 AM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: drzz

If we “repair” people who were personally never wronged, then let’s factor in the trillions spent on “poverty” until now, and also “spread the wealth” from Oprah, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, ...


8 posted on 10/31/2008 11:26:28 AM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: OneWingedShark

No, blacks enslaved blacks, then sold them to whites who have been dead for eons. It’s hard for me to believe that matters...whites are reformed...all of that happened when John McCain was just 8 years old. LOL.


9 posted on 10/31/2008 11:26:34 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: drzz
Yes, white America was guilty of enslaving blacks and redistributing wealth will certainly right a wrong. ......

Not all whites owned slaves some whites were slaves. My ancestors to be exact were Scottish slaves here in the states. So if you want reparations simply sue the families of the ones who owned slaves. But first prove you are descendants of slaves then prove the individual family owned your ancestors. Then let's talk. Other wise go to work!

10 posted on 10/31/2008 11:32:29 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: drzz
My people were oppressed by the Romans. We were tossed to the lions because of our religious beliefs. This oppression came from those with a link to the ethnic Latin power structure of the day.

So by the new rules of loose historical association, I believe I am owed restitution from all peoples who currently speak a Romance language: Italy, Spain, France, Latin America, etc.

I hope my cause gets brought up by Obama at the UN.

11 posted on 10/31/2008 11:37:16 AM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: onlylewis

Yep, I have at least three family lines that came over here in servitude, all from England. Does that mean my family is entitled to reparations? Nah, I didn’t think so....


12 posted on 10/31/2008 11:37:43 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: drzz

Obama’s family used to own slaves.

But Obama will get a cut of the money.

Any questions?


13 posted on 10/31/2008 11:38:41 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: drzz
OKay! Every (white) American who has ever owned a Black American should have to pay up!

Listen to the money pouring in:

crickets...

Why is that?

Because slavery has been over for 150 years, that's why!

Time to move on, ya think?

The ten million acres stolen from my wife's people happened after that and no one is bellowing for "redistribution" for that.

Get over it!

14 posted on 10/31/2008 11:42:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: drzz
redistributing wealth

Been there, done that --- welfare state, progressive/oppressive taxation, affirmative action, etc. Freebies just keep 'em on a plantation of a different kind, while (temporarily) easing the guilt of perpetually guilt-ridden white liberals.

15 posted on 10/31/2008 11:43:48 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: MeanWestTexan

I want restitutions for what the Anglos have done to all of my people.

[but I’ll allow a 10% reduction in what I’m owed for what the Danish vikings did to them...I’m not unreasonable]...:))


16 posted on 10/31/2008 11:44:12 AM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: drzz

Being half white, half black, I suggest Barry steal money from his white side and give it to his black side.


17 posted on 10/31/2008 11:48:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: onlylewis

The Irish side of my family came here in “dissident” ships.

They were treated lower than slaves because they had utterly no “market value”.

Thousands of Irish died from starvation, disease, sickness and neglect in those hellish holds because the ship owners were merely providing a “trash transport service” for the English monarchy.

The Scots side were run off to here during “the clearances’.

How much am I owed?


18 posted on 10/31/2008 11:49:35 AM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: Smokin' Joe

If I knew then what I know now, I would have picked my own cotton.


19 posted on 10/31/2008 11:50:48 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: spaced

And blacks sold other blacks to the slavers. So what?

There were even a few black slave owners here in the new world.


20 posted on 10/31/2008 11:50:55 AM PDT by proud okie
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To: Salamander

Get in line; I understand the Indians want a peace of your ass.


21 posted on 10/31/2008 11:51:58 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (A Jew voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: DManA
Conflict of interest.


22 posted on 10/31/2008 11:53:53 AM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Who doesn’t?.....:))


23 posted on 10/31/2008 11:54:58 AM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: spaced

“And blacks sold other blacks to the slavers. So what?”

There were also black slave owners in America, more than they would like to admit. When I see any of these whiners actually address the slavery going on NOW all over the world, I might be impressed.


24 posted on 10/31/2008 12:01:06 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Salamander
I see you and I have something in-common. Why must only the blacks get reparations? At least some of them got land and the gov’t has helped them with welfare and such. Heck my family had to work for everything that we have (it's not much) and all the while were looked down on and called names and lived on the “other-side of the tracks” so to speak. Anyway I could go on for hours, days. I'll stop here for now!
25 posted on 10/31/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: onlylewis
So if you want reparations simply sue the families of the ones who owned slaves

Oh boy, you stepped in it now!

Prove the disenfranchised slaveowners who often lost everything they had during the war and Reconstruction gained anything before you go taking it away, first.

Then prove their descendants gained as a result.

Then prove the descendents of slaves were, in fact, descendents, and then prove they suffered a loss as a result of what happened to their ancestors, due to the actions/gain of the former owners.

Good luck.

(cue mission impossible theme)

this post will self destruct in 30 seconds...

Or you could do like Zimbabwe and just strip whites of their landholdings and give it away.

That's working out real well (/sarc)

Have we finally reached the point where the people with their hand out for a handout can vote away the hard-esrned prosperity of the productive people?

If so, the nation is done.

Maybe we should have stuck with '21 and a property owner', anyway, (although I would add "or active duty military or veteran" to that.)

26 posted on 10/31/2008 12:02:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: onlylewis

My kinfolks hit the Appalachians and stopped moving west.

We were the people you see in “Life” magazine, the scruffy but hard working dirt farmers.

Nobody in my family’s history ever got jack-squat from the “gummint” nor did they want it.

In spite of a long history of dying in coal mines, toiling for pitiful harvests and making do with precious little, they all still consider themselves “blessed” to be who they are.

Maybe that’s the difference; they still had pride when they had nothing else.


27 posted on 10/31/2008 12:11:40 PM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I see that you understand my idea. If you can't prove it you can not use it. (Isn't that what they tell us about obamaboy’s birth record and everything else we can't prove about him) It's easy to say pay reparations, but who should pay. Heck they are people here in the US that had no family here back in the day. And so forth and so on. So you “if the glove don't fit you must acquit”
28 posted on 10/31/2008 12:13:50 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: Salamander
They were treated lower than slaves because they had utterly no “market value”.

Correct. The Irish had the most dangerous jobs, including stevedore, longshoreman, and teamster, precisely because there was no monetary investment in them. Pay the poor widow a week's pay if you were generous and hire another.

A slave, on the other hand cost money to own, and would represent a capital loss if damaged or killed.

Which flies in the face of the concept of rampant abuse. Who'd buy a new tractor and take a sledgehammer to it?

"Uncle Tom's Cabin" was a novel, after all.

Still, that does not excuse a human being owning another.

The Irish probably did more to free slaves than any other group, as they spoke something akin to English right off the boat, they worked without a base capital investment, and seriously undercut the economics of the idea of having to be responsible for the housing and upkeep of slaves.

Ironic that the same people calling for yet another handout because their ancestors were slaves, just want to be fed, clothed, doctored, and housed by the rest of society--slavery without the job.

29 posted on 10/31/2008 12:18:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Salamander
Maybe that’s the difference; they still had pride when they had nothing else.........

You hit the nail on the head, so to speak. My family ended up in Georgia in the penal colony. Never had anything until my grandfather and father worked hard enough to buy a small farm. And because of my mothers illness my dad has had to sell most of it to take care of her. Of course they could get no gov’t cheese and did not want it.

30 posted on 10/31/2008 12:20:08 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: seemoAR
If I knew then what I know now, I would have picked my own cotton.

A lot of people did.

31 posted on 10/31/2008 12:22:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: drzz
I will willingly pay reparations to anyone I have ever owned as a slave.

Anyone else trying to take my money away to give to someone who says they were a slave are lying and will be treated like any other thief.

32 posted on 10/31/2008 12:22:33 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I wish I could get it through their heads that they’re -still- “slaves” on the Democrat plantation.

The only difference now is that they pick candidates instead of cotton.

FWIW, hubby and I actually stand to gain from Zero’s alleged “tax cuts” yet we will be defiantly voting for McCain.

Why?

Because we don’t want -anything- that we didn’t earn or that comes at the expense of anyone else’s hard work.

We consider that “welfare” and don’t want any part of it.

I do not understand why some people happily accept something-for-nothing, just because they think they “earned” it by being born.


33 posted on 10/31/2008 12:32:20 PM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: onlylewis

Coal mine deaths, black lung, kicked by the family plow horse and “bleeding out”, grandfather shot for running ‘shine when there were no jobs to be had and 3 mouths to feed.
A widowed gramma raising those 3 kids alone until she remarried.
A daughter who dropped dead of a heart defect at age 11.

Centuries of hard times and they never complained.

They grew what they could, ate what they killed and reused everything until it was all but gone.

Whew...I could type miles of my kinfolk’s sufferings but it would be too maudlin.

And my paternal grandmother [mentioned above] may have lacked money and possessions but she had more than enough love and happiness to share with 10 kids and all the grandkids.

They don’t make people like they used to.

I sure do miss her.


34 posted on 10/31/2008 12:40:14 PM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: spaced

>>And blacks sold other blacks to the slavers. So what?<<

And the Mohammedans made all the money. The wars they started for their “religion” pitted tribe against tribe. The loser got sold; the winner got beads and trinkets and the Mohammedans pocketed the money.

BTW, what about people who can prove that no one at any time in their family ever owned slaves?


35 posted on 10/31/2008 12:41:35 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Salamander

They don’t make people like they used to.

Sounds as if your family had/has the goods to make it no matter what. It is a shame that quality has pretty much left this country.


36 posted on 10/31/2008 2:04:28 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: onlylewis

Yes, it’s a shame.

Funny how things stick with you, though.

Right now I have a back yard lousy with black walnuts.

I got it in my head that I wanted to make walnut ink like DaVinci used in so many of his sketches.

So...I Google ‘making walnut ink’ and come up scads of pages of instructions.
[it’s very messy and involved and takes quite a bit of time]

Then I find out the local art and craft store *sells* the stuff ready-made for something like $6.

Now I face the ethical “hillbilly” question...do I *make* it or just go buy the stuff?

Part of me will enjoy the lack of aggravation and mess and the other part will fell guilty for paying for something I have here already, free.

What to do...what to do?....:))

[I may do both...what the heck]


37 posted on 10/31/2008 2:21:33 PM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: Salamander

do I *make* it or just go buy the stuff?

Well you have went to the trouble of making sure you have the walnuts why not make some and buy some. Help your economy and the stores bottom line.


38 posted on 10/31/2008 2:29:43 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: drzz

I want retribution because people used to say about my great grandparents, “They’re Swedish but they’re nice.”


39 posted on 11/02/2008 11:57:28 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as President and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: Salamander

My grandparents any both my husband’s grandparents came to the Central Valley with the clothes on their backs. They stayed in tents for a short time after they got here during the Depression/WWII timeframe. They all worked hard and took care of their families. I’m sorry if others couldn’t do that, but it’s not our fault. I say the whiners have gotten enough handouts. Get to work and improve yourself!


40 posted on 11/02/2008 12:08:29 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as President and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: Salamander

Actually black walnuts are supposed to be good for making a cancer fighting agent... maybe you’d feel better by doing that since it’s probably not available for $6.


41 posted on 11/02/2008 12:10:51 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as President and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

I’ll say it again; they don’t make people like they used to.

Bless your family and all its generations.


42 posted on 11/02/2008 12:10:57 PM PST by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Really?

I hadn’t heard that.

[if it’s true, I’m sitting on a pharmaceutical gold mine...there are hundreds of black walnut trees on our mountain]...;]


43 posted on 11/02/2008 12:13:46 PM PST by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: Salamander

Hey I linked your article OBAMA HANGOVER-DESTROYING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WITH EXCESSIVE DEBT! on No Quarter. Great thought... it will be interesting to watch.


44 posted on 11/02/2008 12:35:14 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as President and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

That’s a great site and they add ~new~ stuff, I swear, like every 6 minutes.

I can’t keep up with it any more...LOL!


45 posted on 11/02/2008 4:27:46 PM PST by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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