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From Old Vials, New Hints on Origin of Life
The New York Times ^
| October 16, 2008
| KENNETH CHANG
Posted on 10/17/2008 7:44:28 AM PDT by Soliton
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Science marches on.
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posted on
10/17/2008 7:44:29 AM PDT
by
Soliton
To: Coyoteman; allmendream; DoctorMichael; js1138
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posted on
10/17/2008 7:51:03 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
Can anyone say ‘contamination’?
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posted on
10/17/2008 7:56:40 AM PDT
by
Secret Agent Man
(I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
To: Soliton
Miller has been debunked so many times it’s old hat. Move on Darwinists. Nothing to see here!
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posted on
10/17/2008 7:59:21 AM PDT
by
Doc Savage
("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
To: Doc Savage
Miller has "The Swiftboat Vets for Truth have been debunked so many times its old hat. Move on Kerry haters. Nothing to see here!" This "has already been debunked" tactic is as dishonest as it irrelevent. Miller-Urey was rejected by many scientists because they do not believe that the early atmosphere was't like the atmosphere in M-U's vials.
The significance of this new research is that the injection of steam that M-U did in some experiments would have replicated the conditions near tidal volcanoes that DID have the gases. They also found many new amino acids in the M-U vials using more sensitive methods than were available to M-U in the 50s.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:06:03 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Secret Agent Man
Contamination would bring proteins, not just single amino acids. Moreover the amino acids they detect from abiotic sources would be both dextral and sinistral, while amino acids from Earth life are all sinistral.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:10:19 AM PDT
by
allmendream
(White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
To: Soliton
To duplicate conditions for the formation of complex organic molecules and eventually life, it would probably be necessary to run the experiment for a billion years or so.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:12:11 AM PDT
by
Bubba_Leroy
(DNC = Do Nothing Congress)
To: Bubba_Leroy
To duplicate conditions for the formation of complex organic molecules and eventually life, it would probably be necessary to run the experiment for a billion years or so.Amino acids are easily created in laboratories. They have also been found in meteorites. All you need is a means of assembling these into proteins.
This takes us to the "ribosome world" hypothesis. Scientists have found recent evidence supporting this hypothesis.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:16:11 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton; betty boop; metmom; MrB; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; Elsie; Arthur Wildfire! March
One simply used a different spark generator. The second injected steam onto the sparks.
In other words, they still required some kind of intelligent tweaking.
Thanks.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:18:11 AM PDT
by
tpanther
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:20:56 AM PDT
by
Coyoteman
(Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
To: Soliton
One simply used a different spark generator. The second injected steam onto the sparks.
All you need is a means of assembling these into proteins.
Yup..."all you need" is some form of intelligence behind the experiment to make it happen. We realized this a long time ago. Thanks anyway.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:22:28 AM PDT
by
tpanther
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
To: tpanther
In other words, they still required some kind of intelligent tweaking.If you consider volcanoes intelligent, then yes.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:23:28 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: tpanther
Yup..."all you need" is some form of intelligence behind the experiment to make it happen. We realized this a long time ago. Thanks anyway. The experiment replicated an environment known to have existed once steam was added. Presumably, you believe that God created that environment. If you disagree with His work, complain to Him.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:26:03 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton; metmom
If you consider volcanoes intelligent, then yes.
Volanos recently belched out building blocks of life? When? Where?
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:29:24 AM PDT
by
tpanther
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
To: tpanther
Volanos recently belched out building blocks of life? When? Where? Please read the articles before criticizing them
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:32:50 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
I read it, I’m criticizing your ridiculous conclusions!
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:37:04 AM PDT
by
tpanther
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
To: Soliton
Stand back Mr, Pasteur, there's something moving in those vials and life may spontaneously generate at any moment!
Have no fear, it's just science crawling through Miller's goo.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:43:09 AM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: tpanther
I read it, Im criticizing your ridiculous conclusions!I didn't write the article. They are the conclusions of the scientists that will be published in a peer reviewed journal.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:44:47 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
The experiment replicated an environment known to have existed once steam was added. Presumably, you believe that God created that environment. If you disagree with His work, complain to Him.
You continue to keep missing the point: this is about the false conclusions YOU assert, not the article, and most certainly not God's creation...
1. The experiment needed human intervention to make it work, ie intelligence behind the design of the experiment.
2. YOU presume to somehow know the environment that YOU state happened billions of years ago, which is impossible.
3. Your intent in posting this article is once again to somehow keep God out of science/darwinism. Your interest has nothing whatsoever to do with science. You failed. Again.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:45:02 AM PDT
by
tpanther
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
To: Soliton
Put me on your ping list.
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posted on
10/17/2008 8:45:20 AM PDT
by
LeGrande
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