Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
Space.com on Yahoo ^ | 9/23/08 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 09/23/2008 4:46:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.

Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of the known gravitational forces in the observable universe. Astronomers are calling the phenomenon "dark flow."

The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable universe, researchers conclude.

When scientists talk about the observable universe, they don't just mean as far out as the eye, or even the most powerful telescope, can see. In fact there's a fundamental limit to how much of the universe we could ever observe, no matter how advanced our visual instruments. The universe is thought to have formed about 13.7 billion years ago. So even if light started travelling toward us immediately after the Big Bang, the farthest it could ever get is 13.7 billion light-years in distance. There may be parts of the universe that are farther away (we can't know how big the whole universe is), but we can't see farther than light could travel over the entire age of the universe.

Mysterious motions

Scientists discovered the flow by studying some of the largest structures in the cosmos: giant clusters of galaxies. These clusters are conglomerations of about a thousand galaxies, as well as very hot gas which emits X-rays. By observing the interaction of the X-rays with the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which is leftover radiation from the Big Bang, scientists can study the movement of clusters.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkflow; darkforce; darklight; darkmatter; discovered; godsgravesglyphs; mysterious; stringtheory

1 posted on 09/23/2008 4:46:03 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Bump for later.....C


2 posted on 09/23/2008 4:55:09 PM PDT by colinhester
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

hmmmm, wonder what it can be, eh?


3 posted on 09/23/2008 4:56:04 PM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable universe, researchers conclude

Probably the same hardheaded researchers who scoff at intelligent design...

4 posted on 09/23/2008 5:00:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
particle accelerator rap stephen hawking rapping. it's a hoot!
5 posted on 09/23/2008 5:01:48 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Dibs on it!


6 posted on 09/23/2008 5:02:08 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

Space ping


7 posted on 09/23/2008 5:02:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (Now sadly living in the DPRNYC [Brooklyn])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan

Extra-terrestrial Guinness.


8 posted on 09/23/2008 5:04:29 PM PDT by cizinec
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan
hmmmm, wonder what it can be, eh?
Old expression - Sh*t runs downhill?
9 posted on 09/23/2008 5:04:35 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

The Nothing.


10 posted on 09/23/2008 5:07:33 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard

...or anthropic principle.


11 posted on 09/23/2008 5:07:35 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: cizinec

Naaahhh!! That’s Beck’s Dark!


12 posted on 09/23/2008 5:08:20 PM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more imporant than either.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan
Hmmmmmm


13 posted on 09/23/2008 5:16:26 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge
So even if light started travelling toward us immediately after the Big Bang, the farthest it could ever get is 13.7 billion light-years in distance. There may be parts of the universe that are farther away...

The observable universe is approximately 93 billion light years across. Because space-time has been expanding, light has covered a much greater distance in 13.7 billion years than if the universe had not been expanding.

It is irritating that science writers rely more on leaps of logic than actual science.

14 posted on 09/23/2008 5:25:24 PM PDT by freedomcrusader (Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

“we can’t know how big the whole universe is”

hmm, I thought we could make a pretty good guess at this. Somebody enlighten me.


15 posted on 09/23/2008 5:25:29 PM PDT by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan
hmmmm, wonder what it can be, eh?

Sounds like a Type III civilization on the move.

16 posted on 09/23/2008 5:41:53 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard

how can they bother , or hope to study this if it is ‘outside the observable universe’?


17 posted on 09/23/2008 5:42:32 PM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan

are the also admittng that THERE IS SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE????


18 posted on 09/23/2008 5:43:57 PM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Whatever it is, I’m sure it’s Bush’s fault.


19 posted on 09/23/2008 5:44:39 PM PDT by Zeddicus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

I’ve had the dark flow. I got better.


20 posted on 09/23/2008 5:45:42 PM PDT by listenhillary (Palin accomplished more in the PTA than Obama did as a community organizer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nuf said
“we can’t know how big the whole universe is” hmm, I thought we could make a pretty good guess at this. Somebody enlighten me.

The universe is just big enough to contain everything, and no more.

21 posted on 09/23/2008 5:54:21 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv; blam

another catastrophism type ping


22 posted on 09/23/2008 6:36:04 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: listenhillary

“Just go with the flow, Shel.”

“What flow? There isn’t any flow!”


23 posted on 09/23/2008 7:01:33 PM PDT by nuf said (I am, therefore I think.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: AndrewC; antonia; aristotleman; Carilisa; commonguymd; dozer7; Dustbunny; Eaker; ForGod'sSake; ...
Orthodox Cosmologists at a loss to explain a flow found in the Universe... PING!

If you want on or off the Electric Universe Ping List, Freepmail me.

24 posted on 09/24/2008 12:08:45 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red_Devil 232; LucyT

there’s some very dark flow going on right there...


25 posted on 09/24/2008 12:15:05 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Fred Nerks
there’s some very dark flow going on right there...

No kidding...

26 posted on 09/24/2008 12:38:24 AM PDT by LucyT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: colinhester

Bump for later. You bet!


27 posted on 09/24/2008 6:01:59 AM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Centurion2000

Yeah.
Like Species 8472.


28 posted on 09/24/2008 6:05:22 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Kevmo; Swordmaker; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks Kevmo and Swordmaker.
 
Catastrophism
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic ·

29 posted on 09/24/2008 6:18:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...

30 posted on 09/24/2008 6:19:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raygunfan
are the also admittng that THERE IS SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE????

Nope. It's just hand-waving by a bunch of folk who have observed something they can't explain.

In earlier times, they'd have said it was "magic" or "witches". These days, it's "dark matter", and "dark energy".

Same old thing dressed up in modern language.

31 posted on 09/24/2008 6:51:27 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Interesting !!


32 posted on 09/24/2008 7:14:17 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. The Gipper)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

Yet I think God would rather have us progress from witches to dark energy, and hence show that much appreciation of His ongoing.


33 posted on 09/24/2008 7:39:39 AM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

THANKS FOR THE PINGS.


34 posted on 09/24/2008 7:40:47 AM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

. . . .

—SIGNS AND WONDERS IN THE HEAVENS . . .

—AND THE HEAVENS SHALL BE ROLLED BACK, LIKE A SCROLL . . .

Hmmmmm


35 posted on 09/24/2008 7:43:23 AM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Quix
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

God moved a corner of the scroll? Amazing time indeed!

36 posted on 09/24/2008 7:54:00 AM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: zeugma

aaaah, you caught my drift....


37 posted on 09/24/2008 8:33:23 AM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

Has anyone seen my sucking thing?

I WANT MY SUCKING THING!!!


38 posted on 09/26/2008 5:36:43 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson