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Associated Press expects you to pay to license 5-word quotations [barred if damages AP reputation]
Boing Boing ^ | June 17, 2008 | Cory Doctorow

Posted on 06/17/2008 5:42:08 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko

In the name of "defin[ing] clear standards as to how much of its articles and broadcasts bloggers and Web sites can excerpt" the Associated Press is now selling "quotation licenses" that allow bloggers, journallers, and people who forward quotations from articles to co-workers to quote their articles. The licenses start at $12.50 for quotations of 5-25 words. The licensing system exhorts you to snitch on people who publish without paying the blood-money, offering up to $1 million in reward money (they also think that "fair use" -- the right to copy without permission -- means "Contact the owner of the work to be sure you are covered under fair use.").

It gets better! If you pay to quote the AP, but you offend the AP in so doing, the AP "reserves the right to terminate this Agreement at any time if Publisher or its agents finds Your use of the licensed Content to be offensive and/or damaging to Publisher's reputation."

Over on Making Light, Patrick Nielsen Hayden nails it:

The New York Times, an AP member organization, refers to this as an “attempt to define clear standards as to how much of its articles and broadcasts bloggers and Web sites can excerpt.” I suggest it’s better described as yet another attempt by a big media company to replace the established legal and social order with with a system of private law (the very definition of the word “privilege”) in which a few private organizations get to dictate to the rest of society what the rules will be. See also Virgin Media claiming the right to dictate to private citizens in Britain how they’re allowed to configure their home routers, or the new copyright bill being introduced in Canada, under which the international entertainment industry, rather than democratically-accountable representatives of the Canadian people, will get to define what does and doesn’t amount to proscribed “circumvention.” Hey, why have laws? Let’s just ask established businesses what kinds of behaviors they find inconvenient, and then send the police around to shut those behaviors down. Imagine the effort we’ll save.

Welcome to a world in which you won’t be able to effectively criticize the press, because you’ll be required to pay to quote as few as five words from what they publish.

Welcome to a world in which you won’t own any of your technology or your music or your books, because ensuring that someone makes their profit margins will justify depriving you of the even the most basic, commonsensical rights in your personal, hand-level household goods.

The people pushing for this stuff are not well-meaning, and they are not interested in making life better for artists, writers, or any other kind of individual creators. They are would-be aristocrats who fully intend to return us to a society of orders and classes, and they’re using so-called “intellectual property” law as a tool with which to do it. Whether or not you have ever personally taped a TV show or written a blog post, if you think you’re going to wind up on top in the sort of world these people are working to build, you are out of your mind.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; achillwind; ap; associatedpress; censorship; enemedia; fairuse; firstamendment; freespeech; ivorytower; liberalmedia; media; msm; pajamapeoplerule; quotationlicenses
I guess the first 4 words are free.
1 posted on 06/17/2008 5:42:08 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

At first I thought market evolution was killing off the lamestream media. These days, I’m convinced the MSM is determined to commit suicide as quickly as possible.


2 posted on 06/17/2008 5:45:24 AM PDT by underground
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To: Mike Fieschko

And I Will Lay To Rest My Ghosts
And Cover My Footsteps
And I Will Stand Up Straight And Walk Away
Leaving Them Far Behind


3 posted on 06/17/2008 5:46:11 AM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Mike Fieschko
...the Associated Press is now selling "quotation licenses" that allow bloggers, journallers, and people who forward quotations from articles to co-workers to quote their articles. The licenses start at $12.50 for quotations of 5-25 words.

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

One word.

4 posted on 06/17/2008 5:46:18 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I guess we’ll have to start talking like Yoda to get around this.


5 posted on 06/17/2008 5:48:51 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: TLI

I’m actually thinking of two words for them.


6 posted on 06/17/2008 5:50:07 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Good luck collecting, AP. If it were in fact illegal, you would have made a stink about it a very long time ago... but it isn’t, so you didn’t.

I will continue to excerpt the AP as often as I like, and in whatever quantity I deem appropriate. I suspect the rest of the blogosphere will, as well.


7 posted on 06/17/2008 5:50:14 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Welcome to a world in which you won’t be able to effectively criticize the press, because you’ll be required to pay to quote as few as five words from what they publish.

AP's envy is showing and it's not pretty.

8 posted on 06/17/2008 5:51:07 AM PDT by GOPJ ("I'm afraid after I die, I'll be voting Democrat" - Freeper potlatch)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Hell, they can quote two fingers from me for free.

}:-)4


9 posted on 06/17/2008 5:51:29 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
This will go to court.

It will be interesting to see how the judiciary decides the ‘fair use’ privilege.

AP may try to charge for 5+ words, but .....

10 posted on 06/17/2008 5:55:37 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Mike Fieschko

I have said for some time that the media-industrial complex (of which AP is at the very heart) is not the free press of the Founding Fathers. It is, rather, an unelected, unaccountable shadow government.

This attempt by AP to create and enforce its own laws is a prime example.


11 posted on 06/17/2008 6:06:23 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I have five words for them:

“AP, you can kiss my....”

AP is not a government, it has no legislative or enforcement power other than the threat that its swinish gestapo of lawyers can find a jury that will buy their claims. This is a monstrous and flagrant abuse of the First Amendment and the legal system.

The real purpose of this effort is not to protect copyright, it is to blunt criticism and review, which have been taking an increasingly heavy toll on media credibility since the internet and new media started to undermine their monopoly on public discourse.

We will not have progress or even freedom in this country until the media-industrial complex is overthrown, and the authentic free press restored to its rightful position.


12 posted on 06/17/2008 6:18:36 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Interesting business strategy - Boycott us please.


13 posted on 06/17/2008 6:28:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mike Fieschko

Why stop with print. Charge people if you read the article to your wife at the breakfast table. Also people whose lips move as they read - why should def lip readers not have to pay.


14 posted on 06/17/2008 6:31:15 AM PDT by DManA
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To: atomic conspiracy
Excellent insight:

it is to blunt criticism and review, which have been taking an increasingly heavy toll on media credibility

Most postings of AP stories are in the "Can you believe they print this junk" vein.

15 posted on 06/17/2008 6:33:09 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mike Fieschko
I guess the first 4 words are free

AP - Washington
Bush is to blame.....(link)

16 posted on 06/17/2008 6:39:42 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: DManA
Interesting business strategy - Boycott us please.

Comments at the original blog post The Associated Press wants to charge you $12.50 to quote five words from them say that the LA and NY Times both dropped AP's headline ticker in the past 12 months or so, and also, that the AP used to do book reviews but has not done any in the past year or so:
I guess that explains why AP news has disappeared from the NY Times online. There used to be a news "ticker" column with a page that had AP and a page that had Reuters -- now they have only Reuters on their website. I wondered about that.
#17 ::: Ginger ::: (view all by) ::: June 16, 2008, 05:32 PM:
Also what may have happened to the 'AP wire' section on the LA Times site. I noticed it was gone, but didn't know what was going on behind the scenes.
#19 ::: P J Evans ::: (view all by) ::: June 16, 2008, 05:47 PM:
Xopher -- actually, I did a quick search right after I posted that, and as far as I can tell, the AP used to do book reviews, but they stopped over a year ago. Hmmm...
#40 ::: Evan Goer ::: (view all by) ::: June 16, 2008, 08:36 PM:.
17 posted on 06/17/2008 6:53:54 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (et numquam abrogatam)
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To: Mike Fieschko

The AP adopts the RIAA business model.


18 posted on 06/17/2008 7:02:46 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Mike Fieschko


RUSH:...The Associated Press sets the agenda and the narrative, along with the New York Times. The New York Times sets the agenda for network television coverage. The Associated Press, think of it as a massive gazillion-times-larger enterprise than Media Matters for America, which is nothing more than a liberal hatchet job website that exists to take members of the New Media out of context and to besmirch their character and credibility and honor. The Associated Press has no competition. Whatever they write about Iraq, whatever they write about me, whatever they write about domestic oil drilling; gets printed in 4,000 or whatever number of newspapers there are. And American citizens, who may not even like the Drive-By Media that they watch on cable TV, read their local papers, see the little thing, "(AP)", many of their stories not even bylined and it is accepted because nobody really takes on the AP. We just take on "the media" in general. But who feeds the media? Who feeds these people? In large part, they're not reporters anymore.

The AP is just an enlarged fax machine that sends out talking points disguised as news stories. Now, last Wednesday or Thursday, there was one of these stories, and it involved me. And I'm not bringing it up because it involved me. I'm bringing it up because it's just a recent and good example because of what's happened since. (cont.)

How the AP Used Rush to Start Narrative on the Whitey Rumor
19 posted on 06/17/2008 7:46:19 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Mike Fieschko

BTTT


20 posted on 06/17/2008 7:57:36 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: Miss Didi

I heard Rush’s rant over how much power the AP has and how it is using its leftist views to set the agenda and talking points. Like any liberal institution that portrays itself as being middle-of-the-road, the AP needs to report in a balanced manner or should be shut down by fair competition that finds alternatives for the truth. Fox News Channel has been doing it for years against CNN. We need a real middle-of-the-road (actually preferably conservative) news service that doesn’t add lib talking points into its supposed news coverage.


21 posted on 06/17/2008 8:08:32 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Rush the Vote. Operation Chaos rules. "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: Mike Fieschko
I have two words for AP!
22 posted on 06/17/2008 8:15:00 AM PDT by geo40xyz (BE PREPARED: McCain or Obama! possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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To: stevio
I’m actually thinking of two words for them.

Seven letters and an exclamation point, right?

23 posted on 06/17/2008 8:19:08 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion '08-My only reason for voting this year)
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To: Fresh Wind

Oh yea. ;^)


24 posted on 06/17/2008 8:40:22 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: underground

My thoughts, too.

“Fair use” is law, not the at the whim of AP. If I am using the quotation for legitimate critical or academic purposes (including blogging), AP’s got nothing to say about it.

If I’m doing it for commercial gain, of course I should obtain permission from AP.

If AP wants to charge for using its material commercially, that’s just a disincentive to use AP as a source, especially if the information is not unique to AP.

Wonder which genius in finance thought up this scheme.


25 posted on 06/17/2008 8:50:29 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: stevio
I'm actually thinking of two words for them.

If I Had the Copyright on the word ^%$%!
I'd say ^%$%! this job and yourself you dumb ^%$%!
No need for hard work and no need for luck
If I Had the Copyright on the word ^%$%!
--Carla Ulbrich

26 posted on 06/17/2008 10:42:19 AM PDT by steve-b (The "intelligent design" hoax is not merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. --John Derbyshire)
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To: Mike Fieschko
If seriously pursued, this could have a very interesting effect on academia where quotations from sources is considered scholarly behavior --- it could certainly turn into expensive behavior also.

Since much scholarly material isn't of itself profitable, it would be interesting to see how, say, a history book would deal with such demands for paid attributions.

On the other hand, since turnabout is fair play and the AP often quotes its sources, I wonder if they are equally willing to start paying for their quotes --- it could even turn out to be profitable for Senator McCain or Senator Obama since, while scholars might be able to get around the exact quote requirement, it's hard to see how the AP could go without such material. I picked a random AP article, and it had four short quotes from sources.

Multiple $50 per article by the number of articles that the AP turns out each day, and this could prove to be a significant drag on its bottom line.

27 posted on 06/17/2008 12:04:57 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Mike Fieschko

Boycott AP!!


28 posted on 06/17/2008 12:11:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: stevio
I guess we’ll have to start talking like Yoda to get around this.

To get around this, start talking like Yoda I guess we’ll have to.

29 posted on 06/17/2008 12:22:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: Mike Fieschko

I stole these 6 words directly from various AP articles.

the backlash here there everywhere huge

sue me.


30 posted on 06/17/2008 12:26:44 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom and individual liberty is for everyone, including the odd and weird people like you.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
"defin[ing] clear standards (two letter word starting with "a", ending with "s") to how much (two letter word starting with "o", ending with "f") its articles and broadcasts (concatenated with) bloggers and Web sites (concatenated with) can excerpt"

No problem.

31 posted on 06/17/2008 12:29:02 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: Mike Fieschko

If you read a discarded newspaper on the bus, train, or at a restaurant, it’s like you are STEALING that content.

Actually there ARE people who take that view when it comes to used book sales.


32 posted on 06/17/2008 12:42:35 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: stevio
I’m actually thinking of two words for them.

You could add "very much" for free...

33 posted on 06/17/2008 12:50:47 PM PDT by null and void (Bureaucracies are stupid. They grow larger by the square of their age and stupider by its cube.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
If you pay to quote the AP, but you offend the AP in so doing, the AP "reserves the right to terminate this Agreement at any time if Publisher or its agents finds Your use of the licensed Content to be offensive and/or damaging to Publisher's reputation."

AP was in as deep as Dan Ratherbiased was into the forged National Guard memos story.

And reporting on the BIAS of the media in a presidential election WAS bad for their reputation.

They were slow to even acknowledge any controversy about the authenticity of the documents.

And there NEVER was mention of the COLLUSION between the DNC and the media on this "news story"

Anatomy of a Forgery (The American Spectator 9-10-4 Washington Prowler)

More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."


34 posted on 06/17/2008 1:01:58 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Some other reading on AP abuses...

The Right to Know (Free Republic May 12, 2008 conservatism_IS_compassion)

Obama in a sea of people - creative editing from the folks at AP.(NY Times, Salem News, KPIC 5/18/2008 Larry Rohter)

AP Fires Photographer: Reuters Fires Photographer Over Doctored Photos (WRAL News 8/8/06 WRAL News)

Hajj also worked as a freelancer for The Associated Press from 2003-2005. the AP was reviewing all 193 of his images in its photo archives to verify their authenticity. On Monday, the AP recalled a photo that it had transmitted Sunday night of a worker in Alaska examining an oil pipeline. In that photo, the worker appeared to have four hands, and there were other elements such as a section of pipe that appeared to have a double image. Lyon said the distortions were unintentional and resulted from careless use by the photographer of a software feature in Photoshop called a "cloning tool."

35 posted on 06/17/2008 1:15:00 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: laotzu

Does the 5 words INCLUDE the headline words?


36 posted on 06/17/2008 1:16:11 PM PDT by weegee (In 1988 Lenora Fulani was the 1st black woman to appear on presidential ballots in all 50 states)
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To: Mike Fieschko

so-called “professionals” in the media

copy at will from the internet.


37 posted on 06/17/2008 1:32:07 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: abb; Milhous

Boy, I can’t wait to see the threads you will be posting now!


38 posted on 06/17/2008 4:40:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

The question is this: Is the Associated Press really this stupid? Apparently so.

Recall we wondered what in God’s name was Sam (The Gravedancer) Zell thinking when he plunked down millions (plus a lot of borrowed cash) to buy the Tribune Company. Betcha he wishes he’d never heard of the Chandler family now.

Some people can’t stand prosperity it seems.


39 posted on 06/17/2008 4:46:17 PM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: Mike Fieschko

“AP AP AP AP AP AP AP AP AP AP AYYPEEEE HAY PEEEE.....AP SUX”


40 posted on 06/17/2008 4:47:59 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Mike Fieschko

Wonder what they charge for one of their Photoshopped photos?


41 posted on 06/17/2008 4:54:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
HA! The poor fools!

It can't be long now.

42 posted on 06/18/2008 10:28:56 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gods, Graves, Glyphs just had #205 issue of the weekly digest deleted because of AP sources. I haven’t checked the topics themselves, but gather they’ve all been deleted?

What goes and what stays?

Child Protective Services CPS is at it again !!!!!
Family ripped apart on their lies
ripoffreport
Posted on 06/19/2008 1:28:56 PM PDT by big black dog
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2033504/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2033504/posts?page=15#15

DNC Now Wants Michigan Caucus
AP via ClickOnDetroit | Feb. 07, 2008 | Staff
Posted on 02/07/2008 5:24:42 PM PST by jdm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966800/posts

Bush says troop cutbacks might stop
(AP says bias journalist cutbacks will never happen)
Yahoo | 1/12/2008 | TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
Posted on 01/12/2008 11:55:09 AM PST by tobyhill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952662/posts

AP: Giuliani Firm Lobbied for Clients
(CONFLICT: 1000’s of unnamed clients want policy changes)
NY Post | May 15, 2007 | SHARON THEIMER and DEVLIN BARRETT © 2007 AP. All rights reserved
Posted on 05/15/2007 5:50:15 AM PDT by Liz
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1833794/posts

Rutgers ranked in new AP poll
[Ohio State remains No. 1, followed by Auburn and USC]
Baltimore Sun | September 24, 2006, 3:42 PM EDT | Ralph D. Russo
Posted on 09/25/2006 5:42:06 PM PDT by indcons
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1708203/posts

Welcome Home Troops Photos
Defend America | 5-3-03 | N/A Various
Posted on 05/03/2003 1:58:22 PM PDT by JustPiper
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/905245/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/905245/posts?page=8#8


43 posted on 06/21/2008 8:17:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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