Posted on 11/15/2007 4:07:01 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
ARod will sign 10-year, $270MM deal with the Yankees, just announced by Shep Smith
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Steinbrenner just couldn’t take the Bonds headlines.
A Rod called their bluff, last thing the Yanks needed was Cleveland or even worse, the Bo-Sox landing him..
As a Red Sox fan I say YES!!! The Curse of the A-Rod will continue in Yank-off land.
Hokey smokes! With A-Rod and Hillary onboard the Yanks can look forward to...uh...ouch...
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Expensive ho!
Didn’t you also recently suggest the Yankees bring back Torre, just before he signed with the Dodgers? The Yankees will still be short on pitching as I don’t think Pettit nor Rocket will return and they need a new saver. Hell, the Yankees need ten new pitchers.
He is a pathetic loser. He’s simply all about the money and if there was better cash somewhere else then he would have left.
They have three young guys to build a rotation around to go with a very good pitcher in Wong and an old vet in Mussina. They also have enough spare arms lying around that they can get by in a pinch. Their offense will get them wins when the pitching falters. I see them winning 95 games next year when it’s all said and done.
As for it's all about the money, Curt Flood should be blamed (he started all this free agency).
Actually they don’t. They have a solid core now of young arms and Pettite may be back if he doesn’t decide to retire.
A-Rod is so not a Yankee. Jeter, Williams, Posada, Rivera, Pettite are Yankees. A-Rod is nothing but a high priced call girl. He could have simply gotten an extension on his already overpriced contract but no, he has to opt out due to the uncertainty of the franchise.
BS. It was all about the cash, not being a leader on a team that has not fulfilled expectations.
His insecurity demands that he be the center of attention no matter what. (See WS game announcement of his intention to leave.)
Um. No.
Did someone say call-girl? Blonde?
I’ve been a Yankees fan all my life. You have to go back 25 years to find a more weak collection of pitchers. Petit is not the guy you build on, it is Johann Santana. Cashman has sent a message to Santana’s agent that they will have the money to purchase him.
So he likes women. It's been a part of baseball since day one.
You must not remember the team when Mattingly and Winfield were fighting for the batting title.
As I recall, those were great hitting teams that did not have strong pitching.
As a Met fan, and one who respects the great core of Yankee players, I can only envy the young arms the Yanks have brought along.
Who wouldn’t want those two young flamethrowers. I love Hughes and think he will have a great career. Joba is wonderful but his delivery seems more taxing although I don’t claim to be a pitching expert.
Would love to see them do well. The Mighty Petz were unamazing in Sept.
Chokes in the playoffs...as for Bonds,
to the tune of the Rice a Roni jingle:
Bonds, the phony
The San Francisco Cheat!
If Cashman sent Santana’s agent a message saying he has money to purchase him then Cashman (the Yankees) are guilty of tampering. Santana is under contract with the Twins. He is not a free agent. It is against major league rules to talk to an agent about a player who is under contract to another club.
Um wrong buckwheat. Trade or not the Skanks cannot negotiate with and make promises to Santana’s agent without permission of the Twins. Go back in your hole.
Check today's (Saturday's) edition of the Wall Street Journal. There is a long article explaining how ARod contacted Warren Buffet two weeks ago asking for his advice on how to get back in the Yankees good graces, as he wanted to avoid conflict with his agent. Buffet, a baseball fan and an ARod supporter, contacted Goldman Sacs which has heavy investment in the YES network and Steinbrenner businesses. A manager from Goldman contacted the Steinbrenner sons and told him ARod was sincere and wanted to stay with the Yankees. The deal was made and everyone is happy, as even Arod's agent gets his commission. It remains to be seen whether this violated the terms you state above but everyone who the agreement is supposed to protect, is satisfied, so I don't think there's any problem.
My point about Santana was that in signing ARod, the Yankees overtly (not covertly) send a message to Santana that they have the money and the strength of character to reverse themselves and make a money decision. If I were Santana's agent, Id intrepret that as a very positive public announcement.
see my post #28. More lottery winners to come!
Not too sure who pissed in your Wheaties this morning but you're over the top here. Read my post #28. To my knowledge, the Yankees are not overly speaking directly to Santana.
Trades In general, between the end of the World Series and the trade deadline at 4 p.m. EST on July 31, any players may be traded for one another provided they don't have a no-trade clause (contractually or as a result of being a 10-5 player) and were not drafted in the past year. A player with a no-trade clause may choose to waive said clause and will often be compensated for doing so. After July 31 and before the end of the World Series, players must clear waivers before being traded.
Trades that involve a transfer of more than $1 million must be approved by the commissioner's office, as must any trade which involves a player currently on the disabled list. In general, a commissioner may reject any trade which he feels is not in the "best interests of baseball".
The poster claimed the Yankees had told Santana that they had plenty of money to offer him if he were traded to the Yankees. That would be tampering.
Tampering is covered by Major Major League Rule 3, called the "anti-tampering rule" which states that a team can't negotiate with a player or his agent or indicate interest in a player under contract with another team.
The only exemption from this is if two teams are actively negotiating a trade. In this case, with the permission of the team who the player is under contract to, the team trying to acquire the player can be allowed a 72 hour window to negotiate a contract extension before the deal if finalized.
If you Google "major league baseball tampering" or "major league baseball anti-tampering" you will find any number of articles where tampering has been charged. One such case involved Bernie Williams:
In that article you will also see that the Padres accused the Yankees of tampering with Hideki Irabu, who was the property of the Padres, to faciliate his trade to the Yankees. They claimed Irabu would not sign with them because the Yankees told the player they would pay him more money, thereby forcing the trade.
In this article it shows the Red Sox could not say anything about what they would offer A-Rod due to rule 3:
Will Red Sox Ante Up For A-Rod
And this quote from the following linked article: Rodriguez Opts Out of Yankees Contract
"The Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Los Angeles Angels and even the New York Mets could be possible destinations for Rodriguez. Teams have declined to comment, citing tampering rules that prevent them from discussing players who aren't free agents."
Another case would be last season when the Red Sox signed J.D. Drew to a contract. The Dodgers claimed the Red Sox had tampered by telling Drew they would sign him for more money if he opted out of his contract. They never pursued the complaint. Did Red Sox tamper with Drew?
The bottom line is that the Yankees could not have told Santana or his agent that they would offer him a lucrative extension if he would be traded to the Yankees. Doing so would have been a violation of Major League Rule 3 and the Twins would have immediately filed a protest and there would be all sorts of news stories about it.
In answer to your "prove it" post, any idiot who is even remotely a fan of baseball knows about the anti-tampering rules of baseball. The fact that you, and the original poster, aren't aware of that rule shows you know very little about major league baseball.
big'ol_freeper is sneaky. You have something to say to me, post to me. Otherwise, you appear chicken-sh*t.
I believe I cleared up the "tampering" item in my post #28 (to you), whereby I stated it was my opinion that the events unfolding in the ARod signing were sending messages to the market that the Yankees had money to purchase talent.
Please let the "tampering" item go. It was never an issue but you leapt to a conclusion so you demonstrate your knowledge of baseball law. Congrats.
D*mn. You Bosox fans are becoming more and more like Yankee fans and you've only got 2 World Championships.
I was responding to the other clown who showed his ignorance of baseball.
Regardless, a very Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
The Steinbrenner boys might break the piggy bank tho and close on some pitching.
I find it hilarious that you took the time to post all that crap to defend yourself especially considering NONE of the prophecies you outline are currently happening.
I don't hear the Twins protesting anything and I don't see any news of tampering other than what's going on in your dream world.
All I said was that I heard that the Twins were going to shop Santana now before he becomes a free agent. Is that not true?
If the Twins are going to shop him, of course there are going to be talks. Is this false?
What you posted has ZERO to do with the discussion. We were discussing tampering.
Ahh there's the rub. You were discussing tampering, when there actually is no tampering going on so I tried to bring up something relevant (the possibility of a trade), pointing out a scenario where such negotiations would not be considered tampering (thereby challenging your statement) and you got all angry and defensive and started namecalling and saying I know nothing about baseball.
See normally that's where we would have engaged in an intelligent conversation but since you can't handle that I guess we can just keep calling each other names. Tool.
The Red sox are the team to beat. The Yankees just don’t have the clutch players they used to. They’ll be good enough to make the playoffs. But I just don’t see them as being mentally tough enough to win it all. The Yankee teams from 1996 to 2001 were almost the exact opposite of what they are today. Tough, clutch players that got it done when the pressure was on.
"other" signifies more than one who are ignorant regarding baseball
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Yankees and Twins talking about Santana trade, by RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer. November 26, 2007
You’ll notice they are talking to the Twins, not making promises to the player or his agent as you had suggested. My argument never said there would not be trade talks, only that it would be team to team.
From SI.com: The Twins are talking with several teams and are asking for a large return for their two-time Cy Young winner. From Boston, they asked about one of two top young pitchers — Clay Buchholz or Jon Lester — plus center field prodigy Jacoby Ellsbury, league sources told SI.com.
The Red Sox are believed to have made Ellsbury off-limits, which could complicate their chances. They have Coco Crisp to offer, but the Twins would likely prefer the Yankees’ Cabrera to Crisp. Boston is unlikely to surrender Buchholz, who threw a no-hitter as a rookie this year, but might have to consider giving up Lester if they have a chance at Santana. Boston could up the ante by offering Crisp, Lester (or Buchholz), and another top prospect (either pitching or fielding), which the Red Sox have many.
And the latest news:
The latest rumor involving the Red Sox and Santana is the juiciest yet. According to a report from Charlie Walters of the St. Paul Pioneer Press (who sources “a little birdie”) on Thursday, the Sox are now the frontrunners to land Santana as part of a trade package that does not include either Jacoby Ellsbury or Clay Buchholz. According to Walters, the Red Sox would receive Santana in exchange for Coco Crisp, Jon Lester, and minor league prospects Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson, both of who rank among Boston’s top young talent. More from Walters: “Before a deal could be made, the Red Sox would have to have time to negotiate a contract extension with Santana, 28, who can become a free agent after next season and could have a market value as high as $150 million over six years.” ESPN’s Buster Olney wrote on Thursday that the Sox and Twins are working on the framework of a deal that would send Santana to Boston for Crisp, Lester, Lowrie, with Sox minor league pitcher Michael Bowden being the fourth pitcher in the deal. But Olney wrote that “the identity of the fourth player is in flux” in his blog update.
Papa Steinbrenner is not going to like that.
Nah, I don’t think its necessarily a “lights out” situation for the Yanks. I’m a bit leary of Santana. Some have speculated that he is slipping. The Red Sox have hit him pretty well.
There are other top-notch pitchers out there that are available (eg. Danny Haren from the A’s for instance and they would love to get Melky).
With the Sox spending so many of top prospects they will have little to offer come July when they are trying to make trade deadline deals to fill an unexpected voids. In the out years it will be a few years before they have top prospects again to make a big trade to fill the Manny void when he retires.
It is a good thing short term for the Sox because the Yankees are always a dominant team when they have an overpowering left handed pitcher because of the dimensions of Yankee Stadium (old and new). Keeping him away from NY is a big thing in that regard, but the Sox already have a great young starting staff and trading for Haren would be just as good a deal for them.
I also think the Yankees would be better off sticking with youth for a couple of years like they did in the 1992-1994 time frame that produced Jeter, Brosius, Pettite et. al. That would set them up nicely for another run.
The Sox success so far in this century is because they have modeled themselves on the Yankees. Strong minor league system to develop talent, strong pitching and defense, balanced lineup. Fill holes with big-name free agents and big trades. I think the Yanks sort of got away from that and look more like pre-2004 Red Sox teams that always came up short...strong batting order, marginal pitching and defense and inadequate minor league system. The last item the Yanks have fixed because they now are back to developing top talent, but for five or six years they ignored their minor league system; just spending like drunken sailors to stay ahead of Boston (eg. Johnny Damon, Randy Johnson).
That’s the best post I’ve ever read written by you. Thank you. Perhaps there’s hope for your Bosox fans, yet. :-)
Interesting from Ken Rosenthal tonight: “Meanwhile, the Twins are considering filing tampering charges against the Yankees because of Hank Steinbrenner’s public comments about Santana, according to a major-league source.”
Perhaps he should wait until October to sign, at least then he will have been productive in one October.
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