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Countrywide CEO: Mortgage Crisis Persists Despite BofA Stake (Repent!)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/20408981 ^ | 8-23-07

Posted on 08/24/2007 11:03:29 AM PDT by Hydroshock

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To: Hydroshock
Fear, certainly not hope.

Riiiiight.

41 posted on 08/24/2007 2:03:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Sorry, I only pinged you and mentioned Petroski by name. I know you have not. I just wanted you input on the post.


42 posted on 08/24/2007 2:03:41 PM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Neither one of us berated him.


43 posted on 08/24/2007 2:03:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: Petronski

Yes, I have been posting these as a cautionary tale. My wife adn I have been paying off debts, putting money aside, cutting back to weather a storm. We have done this and I hope other have too. I also have be following the advice of Dave Ramsey to a great degree.


44 posted on 08/24/2007 2:05:41 PM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Petronski
I have interpreted some of your post on other threads as such. If I was wrong, I apologize.
45 posted on 08/24/2007 2:07:41 PM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Petronski

IMHO, CW is in precarious shape and will most likely tank. HOWEVER ,BOAs move was brilliant, getting leverage on billions of real estate for a modest investment. they will recoup the $2bil many times over if CW falls, and be at the front of the line to get the assets.


46 posted on 08/24/2007 2:13:38 PM PDT by ulm1 (Infanticide,Gay Marriage, Anti GOD, Environmental Nazis. Todays Democrat Party Platform.)
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I think CW is in a tough spot but will survive, mostly because I believe a federal rescue effort is inevitably within 15 months of a presidential election.

Not a rescue of CW, but rather a rescue of liquidity.


47 posted on 08/24/2007 2:34:49 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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Ach!

...a federal rescue effort is inevitable within 15 months...

48 posted on 08/24/2007 2:35:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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“I get the advantages of this strategy [long pfd, short common] if the shorted company goes bankrupt or its common stock significantly declines in value.

But what happens if it goes the other way... if the bondholder’s investment turns the other company around? When & how do they cover the short?

***Well, first of all, I’m of course not privy to the internal memos approving the deal. But to answer your Q to the best of my speculative understanding: they (BAC) can just buy back the short common, they don’t have to sit back and watch it rise. When they short the stock, they actually receive the proceeds from the sale in cash. (You and I would not necessarily receive the same benefit unless we were “infinitely” funded, as is BAC; BAC is not especially limited in the amount of funds they have to throw at things that make sense for them to do. Certainly BAC has a large stock trading desk (that’s a fact) with savvy traders. They know darn well that on news of the announcement, CFC will ramp. They short on that rise. If you’ll recall, the announcement (that BAC would buy the $2 bil of pfd) came out after hours. Personally, I thot it was a surprise rate cut to see CFC pump $4! Anyway, a sharp trader would realize that the ramp had occurred on very slim volume. Blam, start developing a large short position. Buy CFC puts. Sell CFC calls, go hog wild. The $2 bil pfd at nominal $25/sh is 100 MM shs of $20 common, I’m not suggesting BAC shorts 100MM shs all on one day. But their traders can flip in and out of CFC common 10 and 20 and 50K shs a day and make huge cash, all pretty much hedged.

Point being, IMO, the preferred buy is a cash infusion that pays interest. The shorting of the stock yields cash and is a hedge against a BK on CFC’s part. Should things get worse for CFC, BAC ends up owning “it” or whatever parts of it it’d like to keep...more likely, the servicing rather than the holding, but neither is a big deal for BAC since they’re already in both businesses. BAC could acquire real estate, leases on various CFC retail branches scattered about and on and on. All of which is stuff BAC already deals with, maybe they pick up the pcs of CFC, maybe they don’t, but they get paid 7% plus regardless plus $10K or $20K or $40K daily trading gains indefinitely. They don’t even have to decide any which way for now. So, how can they lose? Maybe they even get Angelo’s tanning bed!!


49 posted on 08/24/2007 3:16:20 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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