Posted on 08/02/2007 5:39:23 PM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
I just saw it on Google Video. What little respect I had for Alex Jones and his ilk is completely gone. Jones has the audacity to call Bush a fake Christian (he reads way too much into the “hook em horns” hand sign) while he pimps this movie on his radio show. Turns out Alex Jones is the fake Christian, not Bush.
My first thought was, “wow, I didn’t think the Smashing Pumpkins new cd merited its own thread on here.”
Now if we want to discuss Neon Bible I’m all for that.
Agreed.
Sorry to dredge up an old topic, but I just watched the film and I wanted to comment on it (and I certainly didn’t want to give this a new topic because of this film’s ignorance).
Part I was a hit job on Christianity. I have to admit that I was more than a little disturbed. A little fact-checking, however, shows that all of the claims (presented as fact) are not only based on huge errors in mixing up cause and effect, but that some of them are not just innocent errors but downright lies.
Part II was a hit job on our current government. 9/11 was an inside job. Considering that I don’t have any knowledge of information and considering the source (see my thoughts on Part I), I completely dismissed it.
Part III was an attempt to tie together various conspiracies:
Federal Reserve- While I might think that the Fed was founded out of the self-interest of some bankers (I can buy that as I see that in human nature), that hardly qualifies it to mean that it was an attempt to hijack the country.
JFK- Are you kidding me? The JFK speech was a complete ripoff of something else. JFK was giving the speech to the National Press Club and he was speaking of the war on communism (The Cold War). He was saying that there were some groups who desired to institute Communism in America and he was asking the press to use some discretion in what they report so that it would not compromise the greater Cold War effort. He further said that he wanted the govenrnment to remain transparent, if at all possible. This is the very same discussion we are still having about press reporting in the WOT. He was NOT talking about secret societies infiltrating our government. If you’d like the entire text of the speech, you may respond and I’ll give you the link to an official source.
Further on in Part III, the narrator attempts to explain how all of this leads to a one-world government and everyone being “chipped” in order to participate in the economic system.
Here, I had to pause for a moment. Why would the narrator attempt to undermine Christianity in Part I and then present (presented as fact, again) the exact prophecies made in Christianity? He undermines Chrisitanity and then validates it?
Further, he never even touches on WHY the future he believes will occur in the near future exactly mirrors dispensationalist Christian theology. This is a VERY BIG omission.
Surely, this is one of the most erroneous and contradictory films that I have ever seen.
The production is slick, but that doesn’t mean that it has any basis in fact.
That’s why I didn’t want to repost the topic (because I don’t want to give any further press to a film that is slickly produced but ever so deceptive.
I am very happy for your post. I friend showed me parts of it last night and sent me a link today. I have to say that it didn’t take more than a few sentences into the movie and my BS detector was sounding an alarm. I have been collecting information to send back to her for the last hour.
When I saw in the bibliography that they used the Truthers as a reference for the 9/11 segment I was not the least bit surprised. This is another attempt at creating discontent. I will continue to fight it at every turn.
i like all your insites. i have seen the movie and i believe it though... i dont really know about religion so i will take your analysis as truth. i believe in god, and whether Christianity is true or not, the teachings are of positive value so i am not worried about it. i am more concerned if our gov’t is conspiring war for profit. i loved your analysis of the religious aspect. will you please skip the religion part of the movie and analyze the rest of it... it goes on to talk about the federal reserve being construed by the Rockafeller’s and the dept of education being set up to ruin our education system. also what they believe to be the true reasons for pearl harbor and the sinking of the Lusitania in WWI. i would really appreciate your input on these more recent events as opposed to what happened over 1000 years ago.
I still have not had the time to complete my analysis. As has been stated a few posts above, it is easy to consider the human trait of greed as being the basis for the federal reserve, I sincerely doubt its intention was to undermine the USA.
Also, the Department of Education is simply a liberal idea put in place...good intentions destroyed by lack of planning and lack of reason. Liberalism thinks, “If something can be done well by local controllers, it can be done more efficiently and effectively if implemented from a single federal source, enforcing its ideals down to the local level.”
For example, welfare...one person giving to another in need is great. Liberalism takes that and decides a federal agency in charge of taking a person’s money and giving it to others is more efficient and effective. In reality, bureaucracy and human involvement destroy the positives, creating an ineffective juggernaut that is impossible to remove.
And, it is the same as what can be expected should we ever get universal health care.
My personal opinion of Pearl Harbor is that our military leaders were fat, dumb and lazy. They were too lazy to take warnings seriously. They were fat with accolades from accomplishments of WW1, and they were too dumb to realize we were not ready for a modern war, instead relying on diplomacy to reason with lunatics and confident in the fact that our isolationism would keep other nations from bothering us.
We repeat the errors of diplomacy and relying on old equipment until we suffer from those mistakes. We did it at just prior to WW1, when we neglected the airplane’s combat value. We did it prior to WW2 when we still used biplanes as combat weapons, we did it in Korea, then after Vietnam, when, until Reagan rebuilt it, our military was in a severe stay of disrepair.
I am not very familiar with the conspiracies of the Lusitania. I just figured it was the result of a zealous naval captain.
In reference to:http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Cute.
- The first part, on religion, is so devoid of accuracy as to be comical. For example, the December 25 date, and the calendar on which it is a date, didn't even exist until a few centuries after Christ, so I can't even make sense of the claim that earlier religious beings were born on that same date. The people whom I trust to know about the origins of Christianity more than myself find this first part to be lunacy. Of course, for the intended audience, Christian experts are not considered to be reliable sources, and prior knowledge of Christianity, either its theology or history, is, to put it kindly, limited. So the ridiculous claims in this part are not massively discrediting of the integrity of this movie. For more detail of the bullshit in this first part, see for example:
- The second part, on 9/11 and earlier false flag operations (see further http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) I've seen before -- the same video clips, in many cases. My guess is that, as always, the truth is more complex and less clearly damning than either side allows. It would not surprise me if the people who took down the World Trade Center got some high explosives into the buildings, near the bottom of the main central supports, and blew those explosives in order to start the final collapse. I doubt that 9/11 was a simple "false flag" action as they claim; rather I suspect complications, confusions and complicities abound, to the discredit of all parties involved. The environmentalists, especially in America, have been too successful over the last 30 years in keeping us from developing our own sources of energy (little more oil drilling, no more refineries, no more nuclear plants), causing us to send trillions of dollars to backward Wahhabi Arabs, fueling the rise again of powerful Islamo-Fascists. The environmentalists, especially in America, have decimated our smoke stack industries, sending our factories, and trillions more dollars, to China. When one spends decades funding ones mortal enemies with more wealth than known in all prior human history, then ones mere continued existence is proof that one is, or at least was, the most powerful nation on earth ... which after World War II, we were beyond all doubt.
- The third part, on the Federal Reserve system and the role of the wealthiest families, the Rothchilds and Rockefellers and Morgans, in controlling our banks, creating debt and the income tax, has a fair bit of truth to it. The book The Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free, by Ellen Hodgson Brown, is a quite readable (for those few of us who still read books) and I believe balanced and accurate presentation of this.
Stepping back ...
What we see here, rather as you stated, is "the best compilation of conspiracy theories I have ever seen." It is well produced, and captures, in the media of our times (web video) the breathless, fear and anger instilling, sense of such theories.
This is part of the nature of human civilization. Men with power seek more power; power corrupts; new instruments of power, such as new forms of money and finance, more powerful banks, new instruments of war, larger more powerful governments, and new forms of mass media, are all used and abused, both to aggrandize power and to resist power. The truth is difficult to ferret out, of either side. Very difficult.
This dynamic has been ongoing in human civilization, since its inception.
As one bumper sticker (on a very expensive car) said:
He who dies with the most toys wins.Human civilization is amassing some very fancy toys.I fear for our freedom; but movies such as this one hurt the cause of freedom perhaps more than they help it, with their blatant use of propaganda tools and casual disregard for the truth. As with cafeteria food fights between nine year olds, the one making the biggest claims to innocence is often one of the most guilty in starting the mess.
There is an element of truth and power for good in religion, of which this movie shows little awareness. There is an element of truth and power for good in the foundations, heritage and institutions of this great nation, of which this movie shows little awareness. The world banks have financed the greatest expansion of civilization and human well being in the last two centuries that we've ever seen.
The men behind the worlds banks are just ordinary men, like you and me, except that they happen to be richer than Bill Gates and Warren Buffet combined, times ten. We have lost sight of the -inevitable- absolute corruption that comes from the absolute concentration of power.
The new means of commerce, communication (radio, TV, web), transportion, energy, technology, industry and finance over the last two centuries have been to human civilization like handing you, right now, as a young man, ten billion dollars and a castle full of naked, willing, women.
Human civilization is on one hell of a ride, and I won't live long enough to have any idea whether, in another century or three, it blows up in youthful demise, or finds new health and stability, with a proper balance of freedom and power.
Studying this movie is like studying one HIV virus and trying to understand all of human disease, health, pestilence and well being, over the millenia.
This movie is guilty of the same propaganda tricks of which it accuses others. But it does do a better job than George W. Bush of communicating to many people. Unfortunately, that is not a difficult task.
You may well remember this movie as I did the Protest Marches against the Vietnam War, when I was your age, as a particularly pointed example of a phenomenon of its time.
I suspect that both this movie, and those marches, were funded and organized by mortal enemies of our country, which remains the last best hope for freedom on this planet.
If you can by force of law get the most powerful up and coming nation of the world to finance all its currency and national debt by way of bonds paying you interest, then, over time, you become a very wealthy man.
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