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Smoking - I'm Livid !
10/26/2006 | stylin19a

Posted on 10/26/2006 11:37:16 AM PDT by stylin19a

I am 2 hours post-op surgery.

The last words I heard before going under anesthesia were: "Quit Smoking"..from the anestheseologist.

The first words I heard coming out of the anesthesia, again by the anestheseologist, were "QUIT SMOKING".

Please...no pros\cons of smoking. Perhaps I'm too close to the surgery but, smoking now dries out my mouth, taste absolutely rotten and gives me a headache. I now have very little desire to smoke.

Please, no comments about no desire.

I don't think what the anestheseologist did is right. It's not his call to get me to quit smoking, it's mine...if and when I'm ready.

Is what he did legal ?


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1 posted on 10/26/2006 11:37:16 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

Yes, it's legal. See US Constitution, 1st Amendment.


2 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:41 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: stylin19a

He may have saved you from spending your later years in a plastic tent with a hole in your throat. Is that legal?


3 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:59 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: stylin19a

What kind a surgery did you have?


4 posted on 10/26/2006 11:40:02 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: stylin19a

What is it you think the anesthesiologist did to you? Hypnosis? Aversion therapy? It is possible that the anesthesia has an effect or reaction with cigarette smoke that lingers for awhile and that is causing your reactions.


5 posted on 10/26/2006 11:40:12 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: stylin19a

Of course it's legal. Doctors are supposed to give good advice. It's not his fault that you don't want to take it.


6 posted on 10/26/2006 11:40:20 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: stylin19a

It's called medical advice. Good grief.


7 posted on 10/26/2006 11:43:44 AM PDT by alnick
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To: stylin19a
The smoking Nazi's are extremely irritating.

One day, there will be a situation where someone get's hurt. I have no doubt....

8 posted on 10/26/2006 11:44:05 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Turnout is critical! I have voted! How about you?)
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To: stylin19a

He said what he did because there are more problems with increased secretions and spasms of the airways because of smoking....which complicates going under anesthesia..not to mention that whole lung cancer thing.

MM


9 posted on 10/26/2006 11:46:34 AM PDT by motormouth (Faith is a passionate intuition.)
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To: stylin19a

if he said "quit smoking and pray to Jesus"


now you got a lawsuit!!!!!


11 posted on 10/26/2006 11:49:58 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: stylin19a
Sounds like a mis-application of ethics unless you are you paying him to administer both anesthesia and subliminal suggestions. Tack a note on the billing statement and say you are deducting fifty percent of the bill for receiving services you didn't ask for.
12 posted on 10/26/2006 11:54:23 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: stylin19a

It's legal. It doesn't take a genius to know that smoking is bad. It's no less legal for him to say it than your neighbor or your brother.


13 posted on 10/26/2006 11:56:02 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: stylin19a

Give yourself a day or two - you are probably too close to the surgery. You probably also have some effects of any post-op meds going. Last time I had surgery, I figured the most I could be trusted to do was read FR - didn't think I should post while "under the influence".


14 posted on 10/26/2006 11:56:12 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality)
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To: motormouth
He said what he did because there are more problems with increased secretions and spasms of the airways because of smoking....which complicates going under anesthesia..not to mention that whole lung cancer thing.

Then he should restrict his practice to those he approves of, if he can...... Not cajole and intimidate those he does not. He has no right to do that.

The patient, on the other hand, has no choice in the matter of who does his anesthesia and is at the mercy of his doctors and the hospital once he agrees to the operation, and often has no say in it at all.

There could be a good solid case made against involuntary psycho therapy made here.

15 posted on 10/26/2006 11:56:33 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Turnout is critical! I have voted! How about you?)
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To: traditional1
If you were a faggot, going into surgery

whats worse is becoming gay after surgery.

why were my pants around my ankles ????

16 posted on 10/26/2006 11:57:48 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: traditional1

There's a big difference.

It's no different for an anesthesiologist to suggest quitting smoking than your mother, or father, or spouse saying it.


17 posted on 10/26/2006 11:57:51 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: stylin19a

What exactly is it about that situation that makes you so mad?


18 posted on 10/26/2006 11:58:04 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: stylin19a

I went to the doc in the Navy once for an ear infection and he asked me if I smoked. I said yes. He grumbled something to the effect of, "I don't know why we have to waste our time on you people", like I was already dead.


19 posted on 10/26/2006 11:59:03 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: stylin19a

LOLOL,, this is a joke, right?


20 posted on 10/26/2006 11:59:14 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Cold Heat
There could be a good solid case made against involuntary psycho therapy made here.

oh brother...

21 posted on 10/26/2006 11:59:20 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: motormouth; stylin19a
He said what he did because there are more problems with increased secretions and spasms of the airways because of smoking....which complicates going under anesthesia..not to mention that whole lung cancer thing.

That's probably it. No grand hypnotic conspiracy.

That doesn't mean there wasn't a subconscious desire to get him to quit smoking though. I find it a bit annoying if I'm going somewhere for treatment/medical advice, unrelated to smoking, and I get a lecture about smoking.

Only a complete dunderhead doesn't know it's bad for you; don't need a lecture about it.

22 posted on 10/26/2006 12:02:05 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: wallcrawlr
You think that's funny?

Some of these surgical wings in hospitals are figging zoos. Some doctors and especially anesthetist's can be real classic examples of fruitcakes, when it comes to politics, drugs, and some habits of anyone but them. I have experience it. I know it happens, and I won't subject myself to it, as a direct result of what I have seen.

It is not funny, and like I said, someone is going to get hurt one day, and it won't be me.

23 posted on 10/26/2006 12:05:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Turnout is critical! I have voted! How about you?)
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To: Cold Heat

Good Grief, I hope youre joking.

Telling someone to "quit smoking" is NOT a form of intimidation. If the anesthesiologist had refused to "put him under" because he opposed the patients right to smoke, that would be one thing, but thats not what happened.

A good case for involuntary psycho therapy?????? ROFL Thats a good one.


24 posted on 10/26/2006 12:05:33 PM PDT by motormouth (Faith is a passionate intuition.)
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To: RockinRight
It's no different for an anesthesiologist to suggest quitting smoking than your mother, or father, or spouse saying it.

The anesthesiologist? You mean the guy (or gal) who you have absolutely no relationship with outside of 15 words spoken before an operation? That's the equivalent of your parents or spouse? This guy is not his personal physician and it's not his place to say anything.

25 posted on 10/26/2006 12:05:42 PM PDT by garv
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To: RockinRight

Suggesting, to me, would be "you should quit smoking", or "I think you shouldn't smoke". If the mojo-man just told him "QUIT SMOKING, (jackass)", I can see the original poster's mood.

[mojo-man = anestheichlsowhatchamacallit guy]


26 posted on 10/26/2006 12:07:14 PM PDT by RabidBartender (Save the cheerleader, save the world.)
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To: theDentist

so, i get to be one of pavlov's dogs ?


27 posted on 10/26/2006 12:08:53 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: domenad

not the point


28 posted on 10/26/2006 12:09:13 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: Cold Heat

hmmmmm...you coming across a fruitcake in a hospital. i can see the attraction.


29 posted on 10/26/2006 12:09:13 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: garv
it's not his place to say anything.

Well, no, it's not. But big whoop. It's not like he whispered, "Goooo kiiill the chiiiiiildreeeen".

How dare a doctor say quit smoking!!!! The nerve!!!!!!!

30 posted on 10/26/2006 12:09:16 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: trumandogz

hand surgery


31 posted on 10/26/2006 12:09:31 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: VRWCmember

you could be right...I'm thinking he made a subliminal suggestion...where it wasnt asked for


32 posted on 10/26/2006 12:10:52 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: stylin19a

If you agree to, sure, why not?


33 posted on 10/26/2006 12:10:58 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: stylin19a

Quityerbitchin....






Quityerbitchin....


34 posted on 10/26/2006 12:11:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: linda_22003

is truth serum legal on terrorists ?


35 posted on 10/26/2006 12:11:23 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: linda_22003

is truth serum legal on terrorists ?


36 posted on 10/26/2006 12:11:23 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: Cold Heat; wallcrawlr

I find it hysterical..

Wall...youre bad. LOL

And please, enlighten us with your vast experience in surgical wings at the hospital.

MM


37 posted on 10/26/2006 12:11:35 PM PDT by motormouth (Faith is a passionate intuition.)
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To: Cold Heat
As far as I can tell, this is the United States of America. He has the right to speak. In fact, he probably has the duty to speak. Your freedom as a patient comes with your right to ignore his sound advice. He's not forcing anything. Was the patient coerced into quitting? Was he threatened? Was there talk of removing a digit if he didn't stop? Did the things that the anesthesiologist said in any way negatively affect his ability to do his job?

If the guy is tough enough to handle the surgery and all that nicotine, he can certainly handle a little disapproval.

38 posted on 10/26/2006 12:11:59 PM PDT by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: alnick

when i'm not in control of my faculties ?


39 posted on 10/26/2006 12:12:10 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: motormouth

not the point


40 posted on 10/26/2006 12:12:37 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: traditional1

thank you


41 posted on 10/26/2006 12:13:06 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: stylin19a

Yeah...I think he made a subliminal message alright and it was...

YOU'RE PARANOID.

MM


42 posted on 10/26/2006 12:13:08 PM PDT by motormouth (Faith is a passionate intuition.)
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To: wallcrawlr

LOL


43 posted on 10/26/2006 12:13:32 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: stylin19a

Just be glad you didn't have Clinton's mom as your anesthesiologist, she'd be chain smoking Kools and reading the Sporting News while giving you the gas.


44 posted on 10/26/2006 12:13:41 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: motormouth
When someone is given these drugs to put them under, they are vulnerable to suggestion, just as with so called brain washing and truth serum. It is the same stuff!

This jerk anesthetist was obviously having some fun at the patient's expense. We had one here locally who did the same sort of stuff. He is no longer employed, and he tried to convert conservatives to liberals by getting them to love Bill Clinton and other sorts of things, including smoking. He was getting complaints from doctors and patients for years before they finally let him go. He ran for city council and lost.

I know this stuff goes on. I even saw it at the VA hospital. It is everywhere.

Most Medico's think it's funny.....I don't. I'd sue their nuts off....

45 posted on 10/26/2006 12:13:46 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Turnout is critical! I have voted! How about you?)
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To: stylin19a
when i'm not in control of my faculties ?

Ta Da!!!!

You have now elevated yourself to VICTIM status!

Congratualtions!

46 posted on 10/26/2006 12:14:14 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eastbound

thank you...I not a suer, but i think i should talk to him about it


47 posted on 10/26/2006 12:14:37 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: stylin19a
hand surgery

So kick him.

48 posted on 10/26/2006 12:15:17 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: motormouth
"hand surgery"

Oh, Jeez...was it your "lighting hand" or your "smoking hand"?????

LOL

49 posted on 10/26/2006 12:15:19 PM PDT by traditional1
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To: RockinRight

not the point


50 posted on 10/26/2006 12:15:49 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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