Posted on 10/07/2006 1:42:35 PM PDT by sachem longrifle
I just read an article from MSNBC that has a new poll out from newsweek stating that the GOP is in meltdown. My confusion is the poll claimed most americans now trusted the democrats on the war on terror and with moral values because of the Foley mess. Is this believable? I fail to see what the war on terror has to do with Foley. I am not sure of the sampling. Does anybody have any info on the polls at this time in 2002? I remember the GOP not polling well in 2004 but not in 2002.
How about a link, then?
This poll just seems like they polled DU members and not the general public. It just seems strange that the average american would think that mark Foley means the party of gay marriage and partial birth abortion and retreat is better on these issues
100% bullsh!t.
This kind of thing is the only time Newsweek commissions a poll.
It doesn't have anything to do with it, but that's not the point. Many, many people, sadly, are governed only by vague perceptions.
I've been optimistic till the Foley thing broke. Now, I think we are in for a bloodbath.
yeah I remember Newsweek had Kerry up 15 points
Huh? Where do you see the GOP melting down because of Foley?
I think I will just because it's so much fun listening to the shrill screeching coming from the open borders crowd.
Why would people trust the Democrats on terrorism because of Foley? Doesn't make sense. I guess I can understand the moral values issue, but what does national security and one former Congressman's sexual scandal have to do with each other?
No.
-PJ
Yep! I'm leaning in that direction. Yesterday, I heard that the polls are over sampling dims by at least 16%.
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I just don't think this Foley stuff is going to make much difference with Republican voters. We have experenced the twisted, filtered information and news coming from the left and its MSM lackys. I think this may embolden Republicans to take a few minutes from work and go and vote. I think the key is going to be how many of us turn up at the polling place. We cannot allow lies and subterfuge to beat us...vote...and encourage a Republican friend to come with you.
This sounds about as believable as one of Olberman's rants.
If Republicans stay home to protest about immigration this year to make a point it won't be noticed or acknowledged by anybody. If the Republicans lose this year it will be blamed on Foley... period. They won't get the message that the disgruntled will be trying to send.
Polls are less and less relevant every day with cell phones, caller ID, call blocking, etc., etc.
That's the plan, but it won't wash. We'll see how naive voters really are next month.
Utter nonsense. Personally, I'm unconvinced that many Republicans deserve to be re-elected, but they will be. 90%+ of Americans don't even know who Mark Foley is, including probably 65% of his own constituents.
Sounds like someone is setting up to scream about another "stolen election" once this doesn't pan out the way their poll says it should.
And, because Republicans are generally busier (with jobs, family commitments, and such), they are harder to contact.
Its just this poll struck me as strange that people would suddenly trust democrats on 2 of the GOP strentghs. I can understand moral values taking a hit but not switching to the dems. This poll did seem a little fishy to me. Esp when they mentioned WOT
It's not a good idea to begin believing anything coming out of the Post pit.
Especially when the early election day polls go their way.
I am still courious as to what the polls said in 2002. and the sampling of this one. i dont remember the GOP polling this badly in 2002
No internals. Based on the data pretty clear they pulled a CBS and polled about 15-20% MORE Democrats. Pure garbage poll. IF there was all this melt down in Republicans at least SOME of the Freepers would be expressing what the poll is showing. None one is.
That NO Freepers are echoing what the public is supposedly telling Newsweak makes it pretty obvious they weighted their poll to generate a result that would validate their editorial line. UNTIL we can see some solid internals on this one, which they are withholding for some odd reason, I say this is pure unadulterated statistical manipulation. The Democrats game plan clearly is to try and depress GOP turn out since they KNOW they cannot win on the issues. It tell we can see the internals on this one it is just another "Flush the Koran" story from Newsweak
Exactly. So what happens? Just like the exit polls in '04, they over sample a particular segment and/or make up the data. Then everybody wonders how they could have been so wrong.
These polls are becoming more and more inaccurate yet people haven't quite realized it yet. Those you do know, don;t care because it suits their political agenda and/or they are being paid to do them regardless of accuracy.
Today, polls are done and broadcasted to FORM public opinion, nor to REFLECT it.
The headline might as well be:
Newsweek Poll: Democrats Trust Democrats on Moral Values, War on Terror
They change how they weight their sample. In 2004, to change the story line, they oversampled Republicans. Suddenly right after the National Republican Convention they showed Bush up by 12 points. THEN after the 1st debate to sell the Kerry as Come back Kid they went back to oversampling Democrats. Newsweak is pure junk polling designed to PUSH a story line NOT reflect reality.
Until we see the internal data, which Newsweak is NOT publishing with THIS poll like it has every OTHER poll, we should assume pure unadulternated Bull.....
Humans have a herd mentality, they do not necessarily want to be acting contrary to a general "groupthink"; polling is used to give the illusion of a particular sentiment when it is desired to move an outcome towards a desired goal. I suspect that is what is happening here. In the unlikely event these polls are actually accurate, Americans are more stupid than we thought, albeit worked over by various major propaganda outlets, academia, hollywood, et. al.
I've read a poll that says 80% of people distrust Republican or something like that. I don't believe it and neither should the American people. I'll see if i can find the link on Yahoo! and report back.
"Does anybody have any info on the polls at this time in 2002?"
You mean 2006.
Don't forget that the early exit polls on election day 2004 had Kerry ahead. Of course, those who vote early are more likely unbusy Democrats who tend to have nothing else to do.
Only thing in meltdown is Newsweeks circulation.
Have you read their dribble lately?
I'm sure it will be a headline like that. But people with any common sense at all know that can't be right and so they lose yet more of their dwindling credibility. The circulation drops yet some more. They lay off yet more people. Fewer advertisers spend money with them.
They sold their credibility and hence their economic viability to further their political agendas and it has put them all into a death spiral.
No I wanted to compare the repubs polling in the 2002 midterm as compared to how they are polling today in 2006. i dont remember the news being quite this bad
exactly, this is propaganda 101, they did the same thing before Nov. 2004 and it didn't work.(well, I'm sure it worked some, W would have won by a larger margin in a more fair environment)
And as I told you, it is completly irrelevent. The sample size Dem-Rep-Indy is changed in every Newsweak poll. They NEVER poll the same way. SO a 2002 Newsweak poll that polled 40-35-25 (Demp-Rep-Ind) probably was changed based on these results to be 50-30-20. A couple of weeks ago CBS did at 50-35-15 poll. WHO they poll massively shifts the outcome. Two weeks ago Gallup did a 48-48% poll and found a virtual tie. Polls are NOISE. All that matters is WHO shows up on Nov 7th. Intresting thing. Rassmussen does a daily Presidential approval poll. IT shows almost NO change over the last week.
As apparently you are.
Really? You don't remember when the MSM had to disrregard their own biased exit polls on election night 2002.
Ditto on everything you wrote. I totally agree.
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