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[Freep EE]

Freepers please help. This is one of my first posts. I am sorry if I don't do this right! I just watched Battlestar Galactica tonight. I was just sickened by the program tonight where the resistance fighters were wearing suicide belts, blowing themselves up to fight the "evil silons". This is blatant "moral equivalance" situation where Sci Fi viewers were subjected to the "war on terror" equivalance of the "war on Silons" where they try to equate the terrorists to fictional characters on Sci. If this continues, I will not watch Sci Fi channel anymore. Freepers please help ssend a messasge to Sci Fi that that this is not OK!

[Arkinsaw]

The first two seasons the show raked the liberals over the coals. Now they are turning it around. I have no complaints with a show that whacks on both sides. My problem is with shows that whack only one.

[null and void]

Post looks OK to me...

So, where are you on lines?

[Hazcat]

BSG sucks. It's just about as bad as the X Files. Nothing more than a soap opera (bad one at that) in space.

[Freep EE]

Huh?

[Shadowstrike]

just a note, I believe the word is Cylons.
And, you couldn't pay me to watch BSG, or as I call it "As the Galaxy Turns".

Original Battlestar Fan here. Sci-FI --- The new show is just sex in space.

[RobbyS]

The original was space opera. Nothing wrong with that, but the new one is, imho, very different and much better.

[Hazcat]

And, you couldn't pay me to watch BSG, or as I call it "As the Galaxy Turns".

LOL! Hadn't heard that one before but it does describe it quite well!

[ConservativeMind]

Well, I agree with you. This was the first time I'd seen it since the 70's.

It's point was to basically kill American soldiers with all their automated equipment, blow up Iraqi police stations with strap-on bombs pretending to be a policeman, and use God to manipulate people.

It was well done, but not my cup of tea. I don't need to be preached to in a way that endorses the killing of our troops in a nearly identical situation.

By the way, this thread discussed some of these concerns:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1715205/posts

[Freep EE]

Duh--I messed up---you are right with the spelling and content. I still think this episode with the suicide belts was a shot against the "administration" and the war on terror.

[neodad]

Over here. LOL

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

As I said in the Official Battlestar Galactica thread, this show reads better as a WWII analogy, with the humans as the Resistance, and the Cylons as the Nazis, whatever the intents of the writers.

[UNGN]

Just keep saying "its only a TV show, it's only a TV show".

My 7 year old watched Smoky and the Bandit on WGN for the first time tonight. He couldn't figure out who to root for, because the police were the "bad guys".

BSG has done a pretty good job at showing both sides of a struggle. If moonbats try to use it to show why the US was wrong to invade Iraq, they are nuttier than you are.

[El Gato]

So did these Terrakazies blow up only military Scions, (IRRC there is no such thing as a civilian Scion, let alone an innocent one)

Even with suicide tactics, attacking an enemy military unit or installation is not terrorism. Attacking innocents to make a political point is.

[dannyboy72]

I think you read that all wrong. There is absolutely no correlation between the WOT and Battlestar Galactica... I watched and have watched this show from the MiniSeries through tonight and while there are always topics which might bring ot mind our current struggles, I have yet to see and episode where they were pushing a bias or an agenda.

If just because a show thought to use Suicide bombers makes it inherently biased towards terrorists then you are just wound WAY TOO TIGHT. The insurgents in this show are fighting for the survival of all humankind against robots - THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING TO IMPOSE THEIR IDEALOGIES ON OTHER HUMANS.

I thought the show tonight was done extremely well and I am keenly aware of bias when it rears it's ugly head in hollywood. I think you watched that show looking for a fight - it didn't even try to push an idealogy. The Humans needed a way to kep the Cylons eyes on the people on the planet and not on the skies above. In fact, I think they made the point that Suicide Bombings bring no success, all they bring is attention. And I believe that Roselyn (the former President) states that it is not something our morals allow for - in other words - the suicide bomber was not applauded or deified.

This show does a good job dealing with the subject at hand. They do a good job of showing HOW decisions are made and why they are made. The use logic and fight for success, not for what feels good. In fact, Adama calls out his son and calls him fat and lazy for not keeping himself in shape to fight for his fellow man -- aweful judgmental for a show that was trying to be liberal, don't you think?

I love the show and think it sends the right messages to our kids that war iss not something you want or something you like, but when you have to fight, you fight. It's a good show. I hope you will watch it again and not come in looking for a fight.

[dannyboy72]

Wow are you wound tooooo tight. It's a Science Fiction show and had absolutely nothing to do with American Soldiers...you are just mad or looking for a fight. Look, I know there's enough Hollywood crap out there tryin ot brainwash the yutes of the country, but this isn't one of them. It shows soldiers in a great light and it sends message that fighting for your way of life is not a choice, it's a duty.

Dan

[Arkinsaw]

As I said in the Official Battlestar Galactica thread, this show reads better as a WWII analogy, with the humans as the Resistance, and the Cylons as the Nazis, whatever the intents of the writers.

The show is not afraid to take a whole host of real-world concepts and twist them around. Thats what good Science Fiction does.

I cheered them many times last year when they stuck it to the liberals for their post-911 forgetfulness. I do not mind standing back and having them throw my sacred cows into the mix also.

The whole concept of "New Caprica" was a representation of the liberals trying to take us back to "pre-911". Their desire to "forget about it" and "move on". The show presented that forgetfulness as ending in tragedy...a predictable return of the enemy. Exactly right. Great message.

So I don't mind them trying to puncture some of my conceptions this season, if they can.

[thoughtomator]

You know, there's a fairly long discussion already under way...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1715205/posts

[Bombard]

All good points.

[KevinDavis]

For crying out loud!!!

[TheLion]

I don't watch sci-fi channel much. Too many commercials!

[blake6900]

Wow...sounds like a big night for their ratings. Too bad you and the other three people didn't like the show.

[lilylangtree]

I'm a Stargate/Andromeda/Farscape fan. I haven't ever viewed the new Battlestar Galacta. Remember watching the original when I was younger. Didn't hold my interest very long.

[unspun]

The first two seasons the show raked the liberals over the coals. Now they are turning it around. I have no complaints with a show that whacks on both sides. My problem is with shows that whack only one.

How many sides are you on? :-)

BTW, Season 2 had an episode that was decidedly pro-abortion in its sentiments and characterizations.

[thoughtomator]

BTW, Season 2 had an episode that was decidedly pro-abortion in its sentiments and characterizations.

And yet, when a decision needed to be made, they decided that a ban on abortion was necessary for the survival of humanity.

[cabojoe]

Bravo!

[EsmeraldaA]

Not again!?!?

SHEEEEEEEESH!

You've got to be kidding........me...........hehehe

[ConservativeMind]

The insurgents in this show are fighting for the survival of all humankind against robots - THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING TO IMPOSE THEIR IDEALOGIES ON OTHER HUMANS.

You don't understand how liberals see Islam. They don't see Muslims as imposing their faith on others. They only see Christianity as doing so or the Bush Administration as doing so.

So they are truly showing this as their world view sees it. They were simply Muslims before we came and desired to contain and kill them when necessary.

[Arkinsaw]

BTW, Season 2 had an episode that was decidedly pro-abortion in its sentiments and characterizations.

I didn't take it that way at all. Adama's line reminding her that she had said "if we are going to save the human race we better start having babies"...was a direct reference to Western civilization birthrate. They did not end up aborting the baby.

I took it in the context that the colonial side was a representation of Western civilization all through those two seasons. With the folly of liberalism leading them to "forget" the enemy. The abortion episode as representative of Western civilization's stagnant population fits for that context.

This season they are switching it. The colonials are representatives of the insurgency. I don't mind, they showed the other side very well. I am not afraid of seeing the switch.

[unspun]

And yet, when a decision needed to be made, they decided that a ban on abortion was necessary for the survival of humanity.

Survival, over loving concern for innocent human beings, morality, responsibility to God, right.

[unspun]

They did not end up aborting the baby.

Yet, the physician and the girl did abort the baby. I think you are being kind. The pro-lifers were depicted as being very legalistic, uncaring, and mean -- even spiteful.

[Arkinsaw]

Survival, over loving concern for innocent human beings, morality, responsibility to God, right.

"The Human Race" in the first two seasons were representative of western civilization engaged in a war of civilizations after a great calamity. Much of those seasons were dealing with the internal battle between security, practicality, and military necessity versus liberal weak-livered utopianism and fantasy thinking. In the end, liberal utopianism won out, the people were convinced to return to the fantasy of a "pre-911" life, the military was diminished....and a far greater tragedy resulted. Defeat. A great message and great two seasons.

Now the producers are using that culmination to explore the other side and hold up a mirror to it. I'm not afraid of them doing that.

[thoughtomator]

Given that they don't share our conception of God, I would not expect them to make a decision on that basis. I do agree that the innocence of the child was definitely a missing element in the argument. But I'm not going to demand that a TV show be as thorough on each topic it addresses as I would demand of a court or a legislature.

[irv]

This is blatant "moral equivalance"

You're kidding, right?

Just for openers, maybe you missed the following couple points:

• The volunteers are not psychos looking to score virgins in the afterlife, they are people who have lost all hope.
• The leader (Col. Tigh) who sends these suicide bombers out is clearly portrayed as a completely ruthless, almost inhuman SOB.
• The entire show is highly charged - life and death every episode. The logic of that simple fact tends to drive it into some pretty intense action. That's story telling not mere moralizing.

Watch it again. Watch some other episodes (they rerun lots of times). I think you'll see that you've over-reacted.

[thoughtomator]

The pro-lifers were depicted as being very legalistic, uncaring, and mean -- even spiteful.

The Gemini represenatative did come across that way - a poor advocate for the anti-abortion side. Do we not have similar figures is America, those who hold to strong morals (or claim to) yet come across very poorly when they advocate them?

[UNGN]

Yet, the physician and the girl did abort the baby. I think you are being kind. The pro-lifers were depicted as being very legalistic, uncaring, and mean -- even spiteful.

The baby wasn't aborted, It will play into the story line at a later date... agggghhh now I'm doing it... It's only a TV show, It's only a TV...

[irv]

Season 2 had an episode that was decidedly pro-abortion in its sentiments and characterizations.

You mean the episode where abortion was banned in the interests of human survival? Yeah. That's really pro-abort when someone who claims to favor that "freedom" decides she has to ban it anyway. < /sarcasm >

[Arkinsaw]

Yet, the physician and the girl did abort the baby. I think you are being kind. The pro-lifers were depicted as being very legalistic, uncaring, and mean -- even spiteful.

I don't see how you can see it that way, those two seasons were not morality plays...they were focused on the war between civilizations and the practical means for winning it versus taking an ostrich approach and slowly forgetting why you are fighting. Their "liberals" convinced them to give up the fight and try to go back to the way it was....the pro-abortion sentiments were part of that.....in the end, their "liberals" won. The people stopped fighting and tried to mimic their old life in a cold-barren place.....the message was that the enemy is still out there and forgetting that leads to defeat.

[unspun]

I think you're fitting more into a theme than the show presents. I saw no one standing up for human life in the womb on true and loving principle, for that individual's life.

[ConservativeMind]

Today's most recent example of how liberals support jihad while putting down anti-jihad views:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1715281/posts

[misterrob]

BOOOOOOOO to you

[Arkinsaw]

I think you're fitting more into a theme than the show presents. I saw no one standing up for human life in the womb on true and loving principle, for that individual's life.

I keep trying to tell you, that is not what those seasons were about, they were about September 11.

[misterrob]

Hardly...

[null and void]

Right answer. You used a phrase that sounded like Scientologese. I was just curious...

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Son, (Sorry if i got the gender incorrect) If you'd read the producer Ronald D. Moore's comments in various publications, you'd realise that the premise of the Occupation of New Caprica was taken from the Nazi occupation of France. Had we the technology that we do today, reports from Occupied France would probably look remarkably like the present Iraqi conflict. FWIW, i happen to side with Col Tigh's perspective on what is proper. He appears to be the only person on the entire planet who is actually THINKING.

[MarkL]

I'm a Stargate/Andromeda/Farscape fan. I haven't ever viewed the new Battlestar Galacta. Remember watching the original when I was younger. Didn't hold my interest very long.

The two have very little in common. This happens to be a story and character oriented show, and they're not afraid to do some rather shocking things. The also don't shy away from tough topics, as you may have noticed from this discussion. And of course, 2 of the main characters, Starbuck and Boomer are now extremely hot babes! And they've both opened cans of "whoop-ass" on more than one occassion!

Mark

[MarkL]

The baby wasn't aborted, It will play into the story line at a later date... agggghhh now I'm doing it... It's only a TV show, It's only a TV...

Actually, there were 2 babies in that episode. There was a girl who stowed away on a transport ship to get to the Dr on Galactica, and her baby WAS aborted.

The other baby was delivered prematurely, and the mother (the Cylon formerly known as Sharon) and father (Helo) were told that the baby died. However, that baby, a human/cylon hybrid was given to another woman to raise, and her dead baby was substituted.

Mark

[Echo Talon]

I never liked Battle Star even the first two seasons I could never "get into it" im more of a "Stargate SG1 and Atlantis" AND "Farscape" type (i miss Farscape!!!)

[antiRepublicrat]

I don't need to be preached to in a way that endorses the killing of our troops in a nearly identical situation.

Did you notice that everyone else in the resistance condemned it? Did you know that of all the main characters on BSG, Col Tigh (the one who ordered the suicide bombings) is close to the least moral human there is? He's certainly the one with the worst decision making abilities, as was shown when he was in command after Cdr Adama got shot.

You are looking at the surface "humans=Iraqi terrorists," but you're used to the standard shallow fare of today. BSG is deeper.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I saw no one standing up for human life in the womb on true and loving principle, for that individual's life.

That would be the Christian approach -- but in this universe there are NO Christians.