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Posted on 08/01/2006 4:29:15 PM PDT by jsk10
The NCAA will consider expanding its ban of championship events in South Carolina, possibly disallowing baseball and football teams from hosting postseason games, because the Confederate flag is displayed on Statehouse grounds.
(Excerpt) Read more at cbs.sportsline.com ...
Obviously these folks have nothing better to do...SSZ
Gosh, it's funny those coaches didn't mind that the Confederate flag flew over the Arkansas governor's house when Clinton was governor of that state.
Didn't they get the memo on this? It's old.
"those coaches didn't mind that the Confederate flag flew over the Arkansas governor's house when Clinton was governor of that state."
Arkansas' first black governor?
Good point. Isn't the same true in Gore's home state of TN?
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they all need to get a life, slick willey thought fullbright was the best thing since sliced bread and you do not see these pansies demanding he denounces that slug; "but pigs really are readying to fly" when the enlightened OBAMA campaigns for a KKK grand wizard dragon, I mean what can you say ,nothing stuns me anymore about these race hustlers, half of their recruits NEVER finish college, let alone are capable of attending
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Why the NCAA has to get involved in politics and boycotts in the first place is beyond me. The only question should be, are there accredited colleges there? If so, treat them equally - the NCAA is a college association, not a Black Power association. Being used as a political tool doesn't make the NCAA look good at all.
It would be rather entertaining if SC and other states demonstrate the value behind those Dixie flags and pull out of these national conferences.
Hmmmm.
I think its about time to replace the NCAA. They keep athletes as captive labor to make money off them and deny them the right to earn a living.
D-I-X-I-E PING
That would REALLY make a statement....without the SEC in the tournaments, they wouldn't have to share revenue with NCAA, AND, the remaining tournament "winners" would be tarnished badly, and appear in the record books with an asterisk !
Another course would be to eliminate black coaches. That would appear to be a better solution.
Robert Vowels, Jr.
Former Vanderbilt administrator
President, Southwestern Athletic Conference
Head of the NCAA's Minority Opportunities and Interest Committee
Interesting the links to Vandy (remember the Confederate Hall renaming fraud?) and the SWAC has an all black staff. Wonder if that's common.
I agree, the NCAA is a slavemaster. It has a phenomenally good scam going - in what other arena is highly competitive talent completely uncompensated? NCAA activities have nothing at all to do with education, anyway, they are the legacy of the long-forgotten age when athletics and physical health were considered an essential part of a well-rounded education. Now that they've divorced the two completely (what NCAA star could get into his college on academic merit? 1 out of 100, tops), it is only logical to continue the process and spin off the NCAA as an independent business.
Holy crapola. I'm a freakin' Vanderbilt alumus too. Well, another reason not to give this year.
Think he was the assistant AD there. He's busy in his new job worrying about a flag at a soldier's memorial in S.C.
Glad he's no longer affiliated with the school. Still a mark against our hiring process then. Thanks. I'm spending extra money next time I go to Columbia to see my sister's family.
SHOULD WE CHANGE the names of FEDERAL MILITARY FORTS AND POSTS NAMED TO HONOR CONFEDERATE GENERALS
If the flag flown to honor our dead soldiers is racist, bigoted, wrong, and a painful reminder of slavery then isn't it logical that it would be 'racist, bigoted, and a painful reminder of slavery' for to continue to honor the names of Confederate Generals above federal military installations in this country?
With places like Fort Bragg named for Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg and Fort Benning named in honor of BG Henry Benning and Fort Rucker, Alabama, Fort Polk, Fort Hood, Fort Lee, Fort A.P. Hill; all named in honor of Confederate officers who led these soldiers - what is the standard?
Will these same voices demand the Secretary of Defense to change the names of the Federal military installations named in honor of the Confederacy and its leaders?
Every soldier that is stationed and serves at one of these forts, is in a sense honoring a Confederate General and the Confederacy every day; even when they write their addresses on a letter home to their families. What is the standard; is there one set of rules for the federal government and another for the states?
The truth is that the American Civil War is not so simple to slice it into a black and white issue. Brothers fought brother, Irish fought Irish, Jewish Confederates fought Jewish Union soldiers, there were Confederate Native American units as well as Hispanic Confederates and Black Americans served on both sides of that war. Complexity is central to the issues that led to that terrible war and complexity continued right into the conduct of that war. And it remains complex to this day.
The fact is, we as a people have become a new American that is not simply black or white or yellow or brown and millions of Americans today, of all races and colors, are descendants of soldiers who served on both sides in our Civil War. We have a common history and a shared heritage and it is time we move on.
One of the largest and most impressive sites at Arlington Cemetery is the Confederate Memorial Monument...
Of course there is a Confederate Monument at Arlington - a very very large monument. Remember, it has only become Politically Incorrect to honor our fallen Southern heros and our Battle Flag for about the past 10-years. By the turn of the last Century (1900) the soldiers who fought the war, and the Federal Government had a great deal of respect for each other and in 1900 a section in Arlington was authorized for the exclusive burial of Confederates soldiers and their wives.
The Memorial Monument was sculpted by Moses Ezekiel who also made a famous statue of George Washington. Ezekiel served as a Sergeant of Company C of the Cadets, Virginia Military Institute during the Civil War. After that service, he graduated from VMI in 1866 - he is buried near the base of the Memorial. He was also a Jewish Confederate. Yes, there were many of them along with Native American Confederates, Hispanic Confederates and even Black Confederates.
The cornerstone of the Monument was laid in 1912 and one of the speakers was James Tanner, Commander-in-Chief of the Grand Army of the Republic(Union Veterans Organization). The Monument was dedicated on June 4, 1914 with President Woodrow Wilson making the principal address before a crowd which included thousands of former Union and Confederate soldiers.
Anyway, there is pretty good site which contains some great pictures and information of the Arlington Confederate Monument itself at the following: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/csa-mem.htm
More information on specific Confederate burials at Arlington National Cemetery is at: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/csa.htm
A few that may be of particular interest is a Canadian Confederate Jerry Cronan one of 40,000 Canadians who had fought in the American Civil War, Joseph Wheeler
Lieutenant General, Confederate States, Major General, United States Army and a Member of the United States Congress, and Juliet Ann Opie Hopkins Nurse, Confederate States of America who was wounded in battle and was called the "Florence Nightingale of the South." and many others.
For additional information check out the official US Government Arlington site at: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/visitor_information/Confederate_Memorial.html
Even President George W. Bush has kept alive the tradition of the wreathat the Confederate Memorial at Arlington:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/csa-mem-bush.htm
Map of Confederate Memorial: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/interactive_map/Section16.html#17
Images from Google: http://images.google.com/images?q=confederate+memorial+arlington&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
NOTE: I'm sorry for the History Lesson, but I have to repress a head-shake when someone buys into the Neo-History of the South and the Politically Correct attitude towards Confederate names. How many people realize that there are dozens of FEDERAL MILITARY INSTALLATIONS today that are named in honor of Southern Generals? I suppose these same people would take issue with Ft. Bragg - home of our Special Forces and Delta Force - etc. Bragg was a Confederate General....just go down the list and see for yourself. Ft. Benning, Fort Lee, Fort Polk...etc....maybe we need to rename these Federally Funded 'Confederate Honoring' Military Bases to something more PC?! Fort Jane Fonda? Fort Bill Clinton - Fort Lincoln....oy vey!
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I remember taking a undergraduate calculus for management class at Georgia Tech to pad my GPA one quarter in grad school - About a third of the class was football players I recognized.
I went out for a hamburger with one of the players. He wasn't allowed to have a job and didn't have a rich family so he didn't have much money. I picked up the check without thinking about it.
So we are sitting having coffee after the meal and he asks why I never come to class but get good grades. When he finds out that I'm in grad school, its no big deal but when he finds out my undergraduate was at Georgia Tech - that makes me an alumni.
I thought he was gonna have a heart attack right there - he couldn't breath - he was saying that an alumni giving a scholarship athlete something worth money (even a meal at Steak and Shake) made me a "booster" and would cost him his scholarship.
That's not a fair burden to put on a student. Everybody else his age can associate with whom they want and get a job that will get them experience and let them buy their own hamburgers.
BTW, He paid me back every cent but he was still nervous about it all quarter.
Can you imagine the reaction if some group or organization wanted to boycott Massachusetts because homosexual marriage is legal there?
This selective outrage in our culture gets old pretty quickly.
Boycotts and actions in support of politically correct causes are ok, whereas you would be pilloried if you were against the gay agenda and suggested boycotting Massachusetts for that reason.
I COULDN'T AGREE MORE BROTHER! Its also about the 1st,9th, and 10th Amendments! These aren't priveleges - THEY'RE RIGHTS!
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The NCAA can go to hell and start letting universities pay the athletes who make so much money for them.
Gotta bookmark that. Whale of a post.
You are ever so flippin' right. I'm sick of the NCAA doing this to kids. It is viciously illegal and unconstitutional. It also makes alumni boosters co-conspirators because they adhere to this mindless pap. Get rid of the NCAA, pay athletes, bring back the AAU or something. Colleges make MILLIONS off of poor young recruits and BAN them from taking a red cent from anyone. OUTRAGEOUS!!!
>>Colleges make MILLIONS off of poor young recruits and BAN them from taking a red cent from anyone. OUTRAGEOUS!!!<<
It really is amazing what they get away with.
I stopped watching any college related sport years ago. Mainly football and basketball. At least in baseball the whores come right up to the kids and offer them money to sign. At least it's honest as far as the money goes. I sometimes think that the only sport left with any honor to it is golf.
No one appears to know or care, but the Rebel Flag is dear to many Cherokee. After all the last Confederate General to surrender was Stand Watie and his Cherokee Brigade.
Something else that history conceals is the fact that Indians were the first substantial number of slaves. Most of the first "Indian Wars" were little more than slave catching expeditions, and as late as the Tuscarora wars the indian men were sold into slavery as reparations.
What really adds insult to injury is the enslavement of southwestern indians continued after the civil war. Admittedly most were children, ain't that nice?
Oh Yeah, California, admitted to the Union as a free State in 1849 passed a law in 1850 that effectively allowed any white to enslave any indian. Pedarists descended in droves and the Kumeyaay took to tatooing their babies in hopes of recognizing them. Finally evacuating to Mexico as political refugees.
Just thought I'd mention this stuff in passing in case anyone is weakneed over reparations.
Secede from the NCAA? Interesting concept. Schools rights? Or would the Rats label it as neo-confederate racism and call for troops to be sent in?
A couple of years ago, the NCAA tried this crap on the schools with American Indian names. The Florida State Seminoles stared them down and they backed off.
Additionally, what is the NCAA doing about Georgia?
Georgia State Flag
What about Mississippi?
Mississippi State Flag
"...Isn't the same true in Gore's home state of TN?..."
AlBore is no more of a Tennessean than I am an astronaut.
PS -- I have no idea what a BCA is. Or if we should be afraid, vewy vewy afwaid.
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