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snopes ^ | 6-10-2006 | ConcernedCitizenUSA

[concernedcitizenusa]

THESE ARE THE SENATORS WHO VOTED TO GIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY, THESE POLITICIANS NEED TO BE DEFEATED IN 2006, 2008 OR 2010, WHENEVER THEY NEXT COME UP FOR OFFICE.

SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW; THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION -- THAT IS, UNLESS THEY DO NOT MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO NEVER PAID INTO IT AND AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE BEING LEFT OUT.

Grouped by Home State

Alabama:

Alaska:

Stevens (R-AK), Yea

Arizona:

McCain (R-AZ), Yea

Arkansas:

Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea

California:

Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea

Colorado:

Salazar (D-CO), Yea

Connecticut:

Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (D-CT), Yea

Delaware:

Biden (D-DE), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea

Florida:

Martinez (R-FL), Yea

Georgia:

Hawaii:

Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea

Idaho:

Illinois:

Durbin (D-IL), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea

Indiana:

Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea

Iowa:

Harkin (D-IA), Yea

Kansas:

Brownback (R-KS), Yea

Kentucky:

Louisiana:

Landrieu (D-LA), Yea

Maine:

Maryland:

Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea

Massachusetts:

Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea

Michigan:

Levin (D-MI), Yea

Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

Minnesota:

Mississippi:

Missouri:

Montana:

Baucus (D-MT), Yea

Nebraska:

Hagel (R-NE), Yea

Nevada:

Reid (D-NV), Yea

New Hampshire:

New Jersey:

Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

New Mexico:

Bingaman (D-NM), Yea

New York:

Clinton (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea

North Carolina:

North Dakota:

Dorgan (D-ND), Yea

Ohio:

DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea

Oklahoma:

Oregon:

Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Pennsylvania:

Specter (R-PA), Yea

Rhode Island:

Chafee (R-RI), Yea Reed (D-RI), Yea

South Carolina:

Graham (R-SC), Yea

South Dakota:

Johnson (D-SD), Yea

Tennessee:

Texas:

Utah:

Vermont:

Jeffords (I-VT), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea

Virginia:

Washington:

Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea

West Virginia:

Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting

Wisconsin:

Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea

Wyoming:

[Battle Axe]

Lugar needs to be replaced. A Republican at that.

No one in this area wants that!!!!

[deport]

What Senate bill was this vote conducted on?.. Got a link

Welcome to FR

[EagleUSA]

Putrid bastards. RINOs and Libs, all after the ILLEGAL VOTE. Maybe we should make it LAW that these traitors SHOULD PAY FOR THE ILLEGALS FREE BENEFITS -- exclusively.

[Chi-townChief]

Hmmmm... maybe there actually is a difference between Pubbies and rats.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Brownback (R-KS), Yea

[LonePalm]

nZOT?

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[lesser_satan]

I'm amazed Brownback voted for this miserable POS. Also, I'm amazed Mark Dayton didn't vote for it.

[LonePalm]

Never mind. Just practicing. Welcome to Free Republic.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[Brilliant]

11 Republicans voted for this. Shame.

[AntiGuv]

I only see 8 Republicans and 3 RINOs (McCain, Specter, Chafee).

[ThreePuttinDude]

Whoa there bud....stop and take a deep breath.
There is more to this than just who voted, it's what they voted for that counts.

[BW2221]

Brownback is the one that shocks me.

[Tarantulas]

Maybe it was S.2611 as linked from the main Senate voting page.

[BW2221]

You don't consider Graham a RINO?

[Enterprise]

I wonder how many of these jackasses voted FOR giving benefits to illegal aliens, but voted AGAINST ending the grave robber tax.

[satchmodog9]

I see my two dimwits were on the list. That old homo, Kohl is up for re election this year.

[MAexile]

New Hampshire:

Good, I thought Judd might sell me out.

Massachusetts:

Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea

Don't know why I even bothered to look.

[deport]

Maybe it was S.2611 as linked from the main Senate voting page.

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Maybe it was .....

But the vote was 62 yeas..... This dude has listed only 50 yeas and one not voting.... There were 22 republicans voting for the 2611 bill he's only listed 11. So that is why I'm questioning what his source is.

It appears he's got an agenda as he's not responded and this is his first post, a vanity.

[Morgan in Denver]

Thank you. Nothing like some newbee stiring the pot with misleading information, huh.

[Mount Athos]

Sorry for the dumb question but did this pass or not

[AntiGuv]

Graham and DeWine are really close calls. To me, a RINO (or a DINO) is someone who'd be just as content in the other party. I'm not entirely sure Graham or DeWine would be content as Democrats. Chafee and Specter I'm sure would, and McCain would just be doing his same contrived political opportunist "maverick" BS.

[Anti-Bubba182]

This is a disappoinment. Another poster observed that this position is from Brownbacks Catholic values. Brownback is a recent convert.

Bishops united on immigration

[Racer1]

Deduct it from there retirement pensions.

[Torie]

To me, a RINO (or a DINO) is someone who'd be just as content in the other party.

That definition has the merit of matching the meaning of the generic words in the dictionary, but lacks merit, because it does not comport with how the terms are used in practice. In practice, they mean congresspersons who stray from the party line materially more than the median of their party do.

[deport]

Snopes

Social Security

Claim:   E-mail lists senators who "voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits."

Status:   Partly true.

Example:   [Collected via e-mail, 2006]

THESE ARE THE SENATORS WHO VOTED TO GIVE ILLEGAL ALIENS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS. REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL PARTY, THESE POLITICIANS NEED TO BE DEFEATED IN 2006, 2008 OR 2010 WHENEVER THEY COME UP FOR OFFICE. SEND THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW IN ANY OF THE STATES LISTED. THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION. THAT IS UNLESS THEY DO NOT MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHEN AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE BEING LEFT OUT.

Grouped by Home State:

Alabama:
Alaska: Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea
Georgia:
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho:
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky:
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Maine:
Maryland: Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota:
Mississippi:
Missouri:
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Nevada: Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire:
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina:
North Dakota: Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Ohio: DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma:
Oregon: Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania: Specter (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Chafee (R-RI), Yea Reed (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Tennessee:
Texas:
Utah:
Vermont: Jeffords (I-VT), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Virginia:
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming:

ORGINS: On May 2006, the U.S. Senate, by a 62-36 bipartisan vote, passed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 — a controversial bill which proponents touted as providing comprehensive and humane immigration reform, and which opponents criticized as unfairly rewarding illegal aliens by allowing them to obtain legal status.

On 18 May 2006, while the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act was still under consideration, Senator John Ensign of Nevada proposed an amendment to the bill to "ensure that persons who receive an adjustment of status under [the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act] are not able to receive Social Security benefits as a result of unlawful activity." The crux of Senator Ensign's argument was that immigrants who had entered and worked in the U.S. illegally and paid into the Social Security system using fraudulently-obtained Social Security numbers should not be allowed to receive credit for those payments:

[Illegal immigrants] paid into the system simply because that was the price to pay to get a job in the United States. The immigrant knew they were using an illegal Social Security number but without regards of the impact of the victim. I have reviewed case after case related to identity theft and Social Security fraud. These cases are occurring all over the United States. In every case, in every State, where someone's Social Security number was stolen by an illegal immigrant to use to find work, the victim's credit history is destroyed. Sometimes their work history is too. Earlier I talked about Caleb, a gentleman in Nevada. The illegal immigrant who used Caleb's Social Security number was not trying to harm that person but he did. Caleb applied for unemployment but couldn't get it because the agency said he was working when, in fact, he wasn't. He lives in Reno. They said he was working in Las Vegas. It was an illegal immigrant using his Social Security number in Las Vegas.

I never said this amendment is going to prevent identity theft. What I have said is that it is not right for somebody to steal somebody else's identity — granted for the noble purpose of getting a job — and reward the theft by giving work credit that counts towards Social Security. We should consider the victims who are forced to deal with the terrible consequences of the crime.

The Senate vote on this amendment is what is reproduced in the e-mail quoted in the example block above. Although the message's text accurately reflects the roll call vote that took place, the accuracy of its characterization of those senators who voted "Yea" as voting "to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits" is problematic for a number of reasons:

• The subject of the proposed amendment was not about giving (or denying) Social Security benefits to illegal aliens; it was about whether a select group of formerly illegal workers (i.e., those who might obtain legal immigration status if the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 were enacted) should be able to receive credit for payments they made into the Social Security system using phony Social Security numbers (i.e., numbers that were invalid or had been assigned to others). Such persons would still be eligible to collect Social Security benefits in the future; they just wouldn't receive credit for payments they had already made into the system.

• The senators named didn't technically vote against Senator Ensign's amendment itself; they voted (by a 50-49 margin) in favor of a Motion to Table (i.e., a motion to permanently kill the pending matter and end any further debate on the subject).

• It was the potential passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that created the situation Senator Ensign's amendment sought to prevent in the first place (i.e., allowing formerly illegal workers to receive credit for earlier Social Security payments), so the senators who ultimately voted in favor of the immigration reform act might logically be considered at least as responsible for the outcome as those who voted to table the Ensign amendment.

If all of the above made your eyes glaze over, it boils down to this: While the list of who voted which way is accurate, what was being voted on was a motion to table (that is, stick in a closet in hopes that it will never be seen again) a motion to deny former illegals credit for the Social Security payments they made while in the U.S. illegally.

Last updated:   4 June 2006

[fish hawk]

You're joking right? He is close to the worst, Specter beats him though.

[Nightrider]

ELEVEN republican Judas Goats.............

[RichRepublican]

Oh. Still, Boxer and Feinstein I'm sure would love to give the illegals their SS. So glad to live in Kaleefornia.

[Brilliant]

The title of the thread keeps changing. Personally, I don't think that the original title was that far off the mark. The Administrator ought to leave it alone.

[Waco]

Remember they are in the process of raising the full benefits age to 67 to "save" S.S.?? Fo de chillins, right? Wrong! So they can extend benefits to illegals!!! A pure crime in progess.

[Admin Moderator]

The original title was Who Voted for Security Security Benefits for Illegal Workers?

[Admin Moderator]

Hey, try being a mod, it has it's fun times.

[freedumb2003]

IBTZ?

[Brilliant]

LOL.

[Admin Moderator]

Don't gripe, let's just go with the flow. I have some good tea if you're up for it.

[freedumb2003]

Hey, try being a mod, it has it's fun times.

But that whole "thank you sir may I have another" initiation thing gives one pause...

[Admin Moderator]

Actually, I lied, I only drink that vile coffee stuff the 'conservatives' drink, unless I have a starbucks cup to show the world how liberal I am, but that's only when I'm in an airport. What the hey.

[Spruce]

CAPS LOCK is cruise control to coolness.

[Admin Moderator]

That's only a newb thingy, don't fret. It's secret anyway, Rove initiates it.

[Delta 21]

[freedumb2003]

Great graphic!

[upchuck]

Arizona: McCain (R-AZ), Yea
South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Yea

It would appear McCain's butt boy checked in for guidance before voting.

Pandsey "One Termer," yer going down!

[Fawn]

What a disappointment Martinez turned out to be......B@stard.

[TASMANIANRED]

Welcome to Free Republic.

BinLurkin Long.

[Beagle8U]

Buh Bye Troll !

I'll bet you ate a big box of STUPID for breakfast.

BTW...If you really was new here, you wouldn't have known what a ZOT was until you got it.

[darkangel82]

Yeah, and I voted for him, too.

[upchuck]

Download this and you can turn off the Caps Lock key.

[Fawn]

I dont understand why he was banned?

[Robwin]

"Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA)"

*Sigh* No surprise, really, but both of "my" senators (at least in the sense I live in WA). Well, perhaps we can rid ourselves of the non-descript Cantwell come November, depending, of course, on how many votes the Dims can manufacture up in King County.