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A safer society? Legalize drugs
The Boston Globe ^ | June 6, 2006 | Bill Fried

Posted on 06/06/2006 4:32:38 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe

Meanwhile, politicians puff sanctimoniously about ``cleaning the streets" and ``ridding the projects of drug dealers

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1 posted on 06/06/2006 4:32:40 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe
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To: LowCountryJoe

This is certainly an option. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work, it created a powerful mafia. How successful was this legalization in the netherlands, or Holland. I don't know.


2 posted on 06/06/2006 4:40:11 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: LowCountryJoe

Another example of normalizing deviancy


3 posted on 06/06/2006 4:41:22 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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Ma'am, without some of the deviancy in recorded history, most of the good in our society that is experienced today would not exist. Didn't the Founding Fathers deviate so that we could be self-governing and throw off a repressive government.

Now, equating drug usage with experienced good is a stretch, I know, but drug enforcement has created some very nasty consequences as this editorial points out. You should actually read it.

4 posted on 06/06/2006 4:56:43 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Badray

Common Sense Ping.


5 posted on 06/06/2006 5:00:09 AM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Bill Fried

Bill is probably fried most of the time.

6 posted on 06/06/2006 5:02:14 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: LowCountryJoe

This is where my quasi-libertarian side kicks in. Here in the Pittsburgh area, the media for the past few days has been innudated with stories of a supposed epidemic of heroin overdose deaths (three I believe). All the politicians and do-gooders are wringing their hands. My view? Good and good riddance. This is not some disease where you become ill and die through no fault of your own. This is a behavior choice. These individuals make the choice to take these drugs. They take the risk. Why should I weep and gnash my teeth over them? In my view, these are three fewer lowlifes my tax dollars have to support.

On the other hand, there is money that could be made from legalization. If we have to spend so much money treating the addicts, not to mention feeding, clothing and housing them, then why not legalize the drugs? In doing so, we could regulate and tax the stuff. In taxing the drugs, we could recoup at least some of the money we lose on these lowlifes. And the supply would be a heckuva a lot safer.


7 posted on 06/06/2006 5:03:12 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: LowCountryJoe
But where would the Democrats get their captive voting block? Legalization would mean cohernecy among those who get a free ride everytime they choose Dem in the ballot box. It would mean they would have to look at the captive 'handout' they get due to the compassionate Democrats and wonder why they don't get a hand up in society instead.
/sarcasm
8 posted on 06/06/2006 5:04:34 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Condi 2008.<------added January 2004. Remember you heard it here first)
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To: Pistolshot
Why the sarcasm tag? You're spot on with that reply. Not only that, but every middle-class misguided youth wearing an Interstate 420 t-shirt who also sports a Jamaican beanie hat and flowing dreadlocks would instantly believe that Republicans are were might just be cool.
9 posted on 06/06/2006 5:13:13 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I don't know if the country would be safer. I do support the decriminalization of marijuana. That's a start. I don't know how effective treatment is. Probably not too effective because many people enjoy getting high and do not want to be treated.


10 posted on 06/06/2006 5:24:02 AM PDT by NotSoFreeStater
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To: LowCountryJoe
I have had this debate many times and certain questions never get answered to my satisfaction. Do we legalize all drugs? Do they get regulated by the feds? Are there going to be strength and purity standards? If there are going to be strength and purity standards, won't another black market open making stronger drugs? You can't make the same argument with booze. There are differing degrees of booze and too much grain alcohol will kill you if you really want the strong stuff. Is it the governments place to stop us from freely doing drugs they have made illegal because of the work of some advocacy groups? Should the government be in the business of medicating society with mood altering drugs(let's leave the pharmaceutical industry out of this for now)? I think these are all heavy questions that do not deserve some knee jerk response. All I ever get is knee jerk responses and slogans from both sides.
11 posted on 06/06/2006 5:41:03 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: LowCountryJoe
There's a thread a little higher called "And Now for Some Good News" from the Washington Post. It contains this:

Violent crime rates remain at the lowest levels in the history of the Bureau of Justice Statistics' survey (which started in 1973). We are experiencing the sharpest decline in teen crime in modern history.

Why the urgent push for a "safer society"? Why the push to legalize drugs? Seems to me that we're pretty safe, and it seems to me that giving the Green Light to rampant drug use might end up hurting a lot of folks.

12 posted on 06/06/2006 5:55:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I face pressure! You face pressure!)
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To: fatnotlazy
"In taxing the drugs, we could recoup at least some of the money we lose on these lowlifes"

I live in Pittsburgh too and felt the same way when I heard the stories, but I'm not sure we would recoup cost. How long before the bleeding heart liberals would demand clinics (Canada has these) where druggies can go and get their fix for free? The social services wouldn't be stopped for these addicts....they would still be considered as having a disease so the welfare would continue to flow. How long before lawyers would step in and the druggies would demand "rights".....rights from transportation to clinics to the right to stronger kick (I'm sure a lawyer could come up with many more "rights")How many lawsuits would result from passing the responsibility via legalization...lawsuits b/c of actions committed by the druggie when your "drug bar" sold him the drug? the list is endless.....

I'm not sure that the social and material costs would be less with legalization.
13 posted on 06/06/2006 5:56:35 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Dudoight
This is certainly an option.

It will never, ever happen for one simple reason. Trial Lawyers.....

14 posted on 06/06/2006 5:59:25 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Dudoight
This is certainly an option.

It will never, ever happen for one simple reason. Trial Lawyers.....

15 posted on 06/06/2006 5:59:28 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: LowCountryJoe

I read this opinion piece this morning and disagreed with it entirely. While I fully support the legalization of marijuana, I think legalizing drugs of this nature---heroin or even cocaine---is not the same, and does not offer a solution, because the nature of the drug is different, as is the nature of the user. I have a hard time believing someone who'd resort to violent crime in order to maintain his or her drug-centric lifestyle would suddenly reform himself or herself if their drug of choice were legalized. In fact, I'd wager that the criminal element involved with this lifestyle is as attractive and addictive as the drug itself. Legalize heroin and "Eddie" becomes a legitimate contributor to society? Those are long odds, at best.


16 posted on 06/06/2006 6:09:38 AM PDT by 54-46 Was My Number (Right now, somebody else got that number)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Did anyone else see Nightline night before last about the counterfeit drugs coming from China? Drugs like Crestor, Lipitor, Procrit and others. Some are made from drywall, cement, and the yellow lead-based paint used for highways. I fell asleep and missed the ending telling how drugs get to the drugstore. Dummy me, I thought they came from the manufacturer. I will be looking for a replay. Pfiser is aware. These drugs have reached drugstores such as Rite-Aid and are dispensed unnoticed as they are such good counterfeits. Pretty scarey stuff going on all over.


17 posted on 06/06/2006 6:18:52 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th (Send-a-Brick.com. Send a brick to Washington and cash to Minutemen for a wall.)
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"and some of the $69 billion that Law Enforcement Against Prohibition documents we spend on ``enforcement" and ``interdiction" could go to treatment"

Methinks Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) exaggerates just a little. The 2007 Federal ONDCP budget (which includes the DEA) is $12.7 billion, and the states spend about the same. That's excluding incarceration.

Half of the federal money is spent on drug education, anti-drug advertising and treatment. The other half is spent on overseas inderdiction and local border control. Which of these areas the author would eliminate is unknown.

18 posted on 06/06/2006 6:24:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 54-46 Was My Number

Is there a culture around smoking cigarettes? No, they are cheap and plentiful. The violence comes from protecting turf. How many rum runners do you see around today? Damn few. Except for a few moonshine stills out in the sticks, most people are very content to get their booze from the store down the street (its cheaper and safer thanks to gov. regulations). The same store I buy my rum from also sells Everclear (100% alcohol by vol.).
Now, our boy Eddie may never be a contributor to society, but he will be much less a burden and much less of a threat to the kids on the streets.
I have to deal with a lot of gang stuff at my very rural high school here in SC. If pot and cocaine where legalized the Bloods, Crips, FolkNation, MS13, etc would dry up for lack of funds and a lack of a need to protect turf. The people of south central LA would be much safer and the inner cities might see a renewal as the crime gangs melt away.


19 posted on 06/06/2006 6:28:09 AM PDT by SSR1
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To: SoftballMominVA
Another example of normalizing deviancy

In a free society shouldn't one be free to be a deviant provided they aren't infringing on anothers natural rights?

20 posted on 06/06/2006 6:29:45 AM PDT by Live and let live conservative (Capitalism: It works, give it a try America.)
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