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Category 5 thriller on tap (NHL Stanley Cup Finals)
The Edmonton Journal ^ | Friday, June 2, 2006 | John MacKinnon

Posted on 06/02/2006 9:20:09 AM PDT by Hat-Trick

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To: BluH2o

The season has been expanded to the point where normal seasons won't end until the end of May, and this was an Olympic year with a two week stoppage in February.

The NBA season is going to end even later and they don't even have the Olympics as an excuse. Baseball season is just as long. When a league's not playing an league's not earning, except for the NFL which finds a way to get networks to pay to cover almost everything.


21 posted on 06/02/2006 10:37:15 AM PDT by discostu (get on your feet and do the funky Alphonzo)
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To: discostu
Larry Post of the New York Post said it best . . . "For the second time in a row the NHL has what it has spent years trying to get -- a Stanley Cup finals with no big-market teams and no high-profile players."

I long for the day when all of those hockey teams in silly markets like North Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Florida, etc. just disappear.

22 posted on 06/02/2006 10:38:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

No high profile players? So Chris Pronger and Rod Brind'Amour are nobodies? Of course the real punchline is that post season success is one of the keys to a player becoming high profile.

If you get the days you long for say goodbye to the NHL. The league needed to expand beyond the traditional market. Sure the old days of the league were nice if you lived in the snowbelt, but the population of the country is moving out of the snowbelt and the league needed to follow. And the Carolina and Texas teams make good money, better than Buffalo and some of the other teams in "traditional" NHL markets. Attendance was up league wide this year, revenue significantly better than projected, just gotta fix the TV situation.


23 posted on 06/02/2006 10:42:42 AM PDT by discostu (get on your feet and do the funky Alphonzo)
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To: discostu
The fact that Chris Pronger and Rod Brind'Amour are considered marquee players pretty much sums up the problem.

If you get the days you long for say goodbye to the NHL. The league needed to expand beyond the traditional market. Sure the old days of the league were nice if you lived in the snowbelt, but the population of the country is moving out of the snowbelt and the league needed to follow.

This is one reason why collegiate hockey games often attract bigger TV audiences than the Stanley Cup finals. When you have national championship games involving teams like Boston College, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Lake Superior State, etc. you never have to convince fans that it makes sense for these teams to be playing on a sheet of ice for a winter sport.

And the Carolina and Texas teams make good money, better than Buffalo and some of the other teams in "traditional" NHL markets.

That's a good point. Keep in mind, though, that you are comparing teams from two of the fastest-growing metro areas in the U.S. with a team from a city that has been most aptly described for years as a poverty-stricken dump.

24 posted on 06/02/2006 10:52:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

What's wrong with them being marquee players? They're good, they're tough, Pronger is photogenic, they've put up good numbers their whole career, they give good interview. They should be marquee players. The only reason they're not truly marquee players is that hockey isn't really a marquee sport, it's never gotten the kind of press coverage for more than 1 or 2 players to be known outside of hockey fandome.

Collegiate hockey numbers aren't that good. It's not a matter of convincing the fan, it's a matter of having the fan to convince.

That's my point, all the fastest growing metro areas are in the sunbelt now. That's the place where it's going to be easiest to grow a fanbase, between transplanted existing fans and just general population growth there's more potential to improve the fan base for the whole sport in places like NC and Dallas and Atlanta than in New York state, Chicago or Minnesota. If the league restricts itself to just the snowbelt it will die with the snowbelt, it needs to expand and turn non-traditional hockey markets into hockey markets. Football had to go through the same thing when it moved out of the "football swath" of industrial and South Eastern America. A lot of teams struggled, a lot of teams failed, but eventually they managed to make the game stick. To be a truly national league they need to make it a truly national game, that means following the population and getting out of the frozen north, if the NHL is ever going to move out of a distant 4th (and really with the rise of NASCAR one can argue it's not a distant 5th) it needs to make the southern expansion work. If it bails on the southern expansion hockey stops being a major league sport.


25 posted on 06/02/2006 11:03:40 AM PDT by discostu (get on your feet and do the funky Alphonzo)
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To: Hat-Trick

Hee-hee-hee.... I understand. You're just upset that you embarassed yourself with your conference finals prediction thread and your Devils took the big one right up the ol' wazoo. Yup, Devils in 5, Devils coming out of the East... tough to beat Brodeur this time of year...

BTW... We have cheerleader babes in the stands because we can. The Meadowlands are still looking for cheerleaders but they are having trouble luring them away from the trough over at the harness track.


26 posted on 06/02/2006 11:10:19 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Alberta's Child
"I long for the day when all of those hockey teams in silly markets like North Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Florida, etc. just disappear."

Well, I long for the day that you pack up all your relatives and haul them back to New Jersey. Heck, their the ones buying all the season tickets down here.

27 posted on 06/02/2006 11:14:47 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Alberta's Child
I long for the day when all of those hockey teams in silly markets like North Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Florida, etc. just disappear.

Me too ... I'm old enough to remember the old NHL era ... Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, New York, Boston (think I got'em all) ... of course in those days the teams traveled mostly by train or bus. In that era, before helmets and goalie's wearing face masks for protection, it was rare for a hockey player to make the NHL ranks until well seasoned in the minors. Typically a player was at least twenty-one, usually twenty-three or older before making it into the NHL.

28 posted on 06/02/2006 11:29:16 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Hatteras
Settle down there Hatteras. You guys haven't won anything yet. I thought you canes fans would have learned that from 2002 but I guess not.

I give your team credit, they're good. But you've got no business talking smack about the Devs yet. Call me in a decade or after winning three cups. Which ever comes first.

29 posted on 06/02/2006 11:45:56 AM PDT by NJ Freeper
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To: Hat-Trick
How bad are gasoline prices going to be if the Hurricanes beat the Oilers?

Let's have Canada win one.

SD

30 posted on 06/02/2006 12:21:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Hat-Trick

Go Oil!!!

(at least this way the Cup goes to the team that embarrassed mine!!)


31 posted on 06/02/2006 12:22:21 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: Hatteras

You know, I was going to root for the Hurricaines until I read this post - but now I hope they get greased.

BTW - how many cups do y'all 'n yer cuzins have down thar? Or for that matter did the Whale have?


32 posted on 06/02/2006 12:45:07 PM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: Hatteras
The Meadowlands are still looking for cheerleaders...

Don't kid yourself, we obviously have done quite well without them. If your [candy]'Canes win the Cup, you'll soon discover how hard it is to keep it. When every team in the leauge is gunning for you, and the pressure of defending/repeating is ever present, we'll see how the [candy]'Canes hold up. One thing the Devils have proven is that they are arguably the most consistently successful team in the league over the last 10+ years.


33 posted on 06/02/2006 12:56:56 PM PDT by Nexus6
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To: NJ Freeper
"Call me in a decade or after winning three cups."

Face it, that's all you have right now is the past. You inherited your team thirty years ago and suffered through more seasons before you even sniffed the Stanley Cup than the Hurricane fans have even had seasons. A lot of good those 3 Stanley Cups did this year, huh? The interesting part is that, generally speaking of course, the true southerners down here couldn't give a damn whether the Canes win or lose and we STILL whooped your @$$.

This game is way too easy.

But, I will go easy on you guys. You are doing what you can to make the best of it, what with you living in New Jersey and all... ;-)

34 posted on 06/02/2006 12:58:54 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: frithguild
"You know, I was going to root for the Hurricaines until I read this post - but now I hope they get greased."

All on my account? Bless your heart!

35 posted on 06/02/2006 1:04:20 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hat-Trick
My question is...

If Rush Limbaugh applied the Environmentalist Wacko approach to picking a winner who would it be?

Oil is obviously evil, allowing companies to make money while destroying the earth.

However, Hurricanes are obviously racist... otherwise they would have never set out to destroy the chocolate city of New Orleans.

What to do...
36 posted on 06/02/2006 1:16:04 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Too soon... to forget. See United 93)
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To: Hatteras
Yeah, my puck prognostications for this year are miserable, and I won't even try to guess who will win this series. My personal best-case-scenario would be a 7 game series with Pronger skating the cup on Hurricane ice, while the attractive cheerleaders are leading the locals in a collective bawling their pretty eyes out. And I'm just guessing, but it'll be a cold day in H-E-double hockey sticks before Lou Lamoreillo allows the Devils to have cheerleaders in the stands.
37 posted on 06/02/2006 8:07:47 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Hat-Trick

GO WHALERS!


(heh heh)


38 posted on 06/02/2006 8:11:37 PM PDT by Betis70 (Brass Bonanza Forever)
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To: MplsSteve

>>I've liked 'em ever since they moved to Carolina. Don't know why. Just do.

Funny I liked them BEFORE they moved to Carolina. Way back to WHA days.

Speaking of which, this is the first Stanley Cup final with two WHA teams, only one of which is still in their original city.


39 posted on 06/02/2006 8:14:28 PM PDT by Betis70 (Brass Bonanza Forever)
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To: Betis70

What a game! The old school teams couldn't beat the atmosphere in the RBC tonight!


40 posted on 06/05/2006 9:30:06 PM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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