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Windows Vista vs. Linux: Why Vista Might Lose the Battle
PlayFuls.com ^ | 05/29/2006 | Cyberlord

Posted on 05/30/2006 11:51:59 AM PDT by N3WBI3

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To: rzeznikj at stout

Vist = Vista


21 posted on 05/30/2006 7:40:54 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: softwarecreator

I just built a new SAMBA server using Fedora Core 5 on one of my old Dells.

I am glad I did it too.


22 posted on 05/30/2006 7:41:58 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: softwarecreator
swc,

In all honesty in terms of IT dollars it makes far more sense to use a dumb x-terminal and a windows terminal server than it does to replace every single workstation you have with hardware that can run vista?
23 posted on 05/30/2006 7:46:07 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3; softwarecreator

WTS is great.

That's all I will say....


24 posted on 05/30/2006 7:53:52 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: MikefromOhio; N3WBI3; softwarecreator

Being the hobbyist/non-IT pro of the group--I'll probably just stick to my dual-boot with Linux/XP.

With Windowblinds and some widgets, I can make my XP system look like Vista--literally for about $20. No spending $$$ on a new WinOS...8^)

Linux is even better now that I have an NX server running and a correctly compiled sheep_net driver...

Now if I could just get a WinXP machine at school to connect to it, I'd be in business 8^)


25 posted on 05/30/2006 8:01:35 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: N3WBI3

I finally broke down and paid $35 for tech help from Microsoft . . . via India, of course.

The techs were earnest.

The phone connection was good up until the connection with the tech. The tech's volume was quite low--even with my volume turned up high. That coupled with the fellow's typical Indian accent and particularly of machine gun rapid fire syllables with the key beginnings and endings of his words were very quick, short, choppy and even lower in volume in spite of my trying to get him repeatedly to modify such . . . all conspired to require him to repeat things 4-7 times to be understood. And that's with me being used to Indian accents.

My phone ran the battery out after 4 hours of frustration.

The 2nd tech, in spite of my insisting that the problem was not caused by spy-ware or viruses as I scan my system multiple times/day with several programs . . . insisted I do it yet again and call him back if the problem persisted.

And, when I replied to their emails, they would return with UNDELIVERABLE whether I hit reply button or copied and pasted their addy's accurately.

In the end, I got essentially no effective help from Microsoft; HOURS AND HOURS OF SHEER FRUSTRATION AND EXASPERATION; AND $35 poorer. Thankfully we were all patient and kindly tempered.

I ended up solving the problem myself by finally finding a SYSTEM RESTORE point which worked.

The 2nd tech asked for feedback re Microsoft. I gave him an earful.


26 posted on 05/30/2006 8:08:00 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
rze,

If you have the memory on your system might I suggest vmware workstation? if youre strapped for cash you can give qemu a shot and run windows and linux at the same time..
27 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:43 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: softwarecreator
Let's compare where it really counts ... profits.

These guys can't relate, they consider those that give away their work for free as their heros.

28 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:44 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: MikefromOhio
I just built a new SAMBA server using Fedora Core 5

LMAO, although I'm sure you think it was pure genius using beta software for your supposed server.

29 posted on 05/30/2006 8:21:51 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: softwarecreator
SWC,

I don't think any one here thinks Linux will outdo vista in terms of dollars but there is no doubt the semi annual delay announcements and the leaks of the ridiculous hardware needed to run vista when looked at through the lens of a system which is more the computer of two years ago rather than the computer of tomorrow will help Linux.

MS may very well see a fall in market share because they have not done anything with vista either technically or temporally (We waited 6 years for XP with eye candy) to deserve anything more..

If linux sees a desktop market share increase of 3% from this (from their current 3% to 6%) over the life cycle of vista this will be a win for Linux and if MS sees it as anything else I would be amazed, more likely balmier will through another chair..

30 posted on 05/30/2006 8:24:13 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

How I have it set up is sufficient, considering that it was an inexpensive, "check-your-email-and-write-a-paper" computer. Definitely not heavy duty.

But enough to hold both OS's and to remote connect into it on another Linux system with the NX client.

It's got 256MB ram--but I'm planning on upgrading it (adding another 512 on) and replacing the blasted CD drive.

As it stands, I have the VMware player and know how to make my own VM by using an editor on the VMX file...8^)

I did install qemu earlier--and downloaded a Minix image...8^)


31 posted on 05/30/2006 8:27:47 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: N3WBI3
If linux sees a desktop market share increase of 3% from this (from their current 3% to 6%)

LMAO you call that "winning the battle with Microsoft"? Knocking them from 90 percent to 87 percent? LOL that's obviously not what the author of this tripe meant.

more likely balmier will through another chair..

You .ean Ballmer? At least he can speak English legibly.

32 posted on 05/30/2006 8:38:49 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

"You mean"

Idiots on here even cross me up.


33 posted on 05/30/2006 8:41:00 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

It's free and it's working...

And it's going to end up being more stable in the long run than my XP machine, so again Iggle, you have nothing to talk about.

dumbass.


34 posted on 05/30/2006 9:05:07 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: rzeznikj at stout; N3WBI3; MikefromOhio; FLAMING DEATH; Petronski; antiRepublicrat; ...


Thread Jester Ping

A medium-volume pinglist dedicated for all the thread jesters out there--you know who you are...8^)

FReepmail rzeznikj at stout or MikefromOhio to be added or removed from the pinglist...

35 posted on 05/30/2006 9:11:06 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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To: Golden Eagle
Idiots on here even cross me up.

I no longer believe you're real. I think your posting history here is satirical performance art.

No one is really so much of an ass as GE is played here on FR.

36 posted on 05/30/2006 9:15:47 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Golden Eagle; N3WBI3
You .ean Ballmer? At least he can speak English legibly.



leg·i·ble Pronunciation Key (lj-bl)
adj.

1. Possible to read or decipher: legible handwriting.
2. Plainly discernible; apparent: legible weaknesses in character and disposition.

Iggle you are SUCH an ignoramus....
37 posted on 05/30/2006 9:23:11 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - WTFO)
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To: Golden Eagle
Thats gotta suck when you turn into a grammar nazi because of the way a post was corrected via spell check and screw it up...
38 posted on 05/30/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: rzeznikj at stout; Golden Eagle
From what I've seen, it's just an updated XP with puffed-up eye candy--so if anything, I'll wait until a.) I get a new computer that has Vista already installed, or b.) wait and see what Vienna is going to offer.

Could either one or both of you tell me what "Vienna" happens to be, i'm not familiar with the term. It is the codname for the next Windows version after Vista?

In any case though, I'd be willing to bet that Windows alternatives will see gains--and especially if Apple cuts the prices of some of their computers and/or releases a plain x86 version of Leopard. Linux and other *nix-like OSs will see a boom among savvy users and IT pros.

i wouldn't quite be ready to count Windows as down and out at this time (the time of the release of Vista). In this particular case, i happen to believe that they are going in the right direction of offering different types of Vista installations (seven different versions the last i counted). If they expand on this concept, and make versions of the OS that meet Differing types of user preferences they can make this into a big winner.

i have no idea how likely this is to become reality, but it's not exactly a majour tweek in marketing.

And MS will have egg on its face...again. Much like it did after releasing Windows ME.

Am i the only person in America who actually liked Windows ME? i still run it on my old Toshiba Laptop, and if one keeps the registry clean, it runs just fine.

in Essence, it was Windows XP's features with Windows 98SE's kernel, and an FAT32 file system instead of NTFS.

39 posted on 05/30/2006 11:24:54 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

IIRC, Vienna is the new term for Blackcomb, the successor to Vista. It was changed when Longhorn became Vista.

I'm not counting Windows as down and out--it'll still remain the dominant OS. My point though is that it won't be through Vista, but through XP and Windows Server 03.

IOW, Vista will be down and out (like WinME). But Windows won't be.

"In this particular case, i happen to believe that they are going in the right direction of offering different types of Vista installations (seven different versions the last i counted). If they expand on this concept, and make versions of the OS that meet Differing types of user preferences they can make this into a big winner."

Not saying it can't happen--nor is it a bad concept. But it's going to need a miracle from the current system for it to be effective.

Trying to introduce the update as you run the system--and ask for $$ for the premium upgrade to download is going to simply encourage hackers to circumvent the system like they did for Windows Update. Rather, if they offered a CD upgrade and included shipping in the cost--that might work for them.

If they did that, I'd probably look at an upgrade if I had the $$. 8^)

I personally didn't mind ME all that much. But most everyone else had problems with it--and the headaches of trying to get it back in order after someone really, er, messed with it is why I was glad to chuck it in favor of XP (and now Linux)... 8^)

My point is that with the current status quo, Vista's going to be disappointing for MS. But right now, they can correct some of these issues before the OS is released. In short, it's a veritable gamble--and the game is MS's to lose...


40 posted on 05/30/2006 11:39:38 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (ASCII and ye shall receive... (Computers 3:14))
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