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Defense team wants rape evidence quickly
Herald Sun (Durham NC) ^ | May 15, 2006 : 10:56 pm ET | By Ray Gronberg : The Herald-Sun

Posted on 05/16/2006 4:39:46 AM PDT by Perdogg

DURHAM -- Lawyers for accused Duke lacrosse player Reade Seligmann want a judge to hold hearings Thursday on whether to compel police and prosecutors to turn over the evidence they've compiled while investigating the alleged gang rape.

The motions have to be heard now because there's a risk that evidence that could exonerate Seligmann "will spoil if not preserved properly," lawyers Kirk Osborn and Ernest Conner said. They said that could happen due to political pressure Durham officials might be putting on investigators.

Seligmann's defense team

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com ...


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KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham; lyingwhores; railroaded; shafted
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1 posted on 05/16/2006 4:39:48 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Howlin; OakOak; Peach; abb; OrinocoJack

ping


2 posted on 05/16/2006 4:41:17 AM PDT by Perdogg (Durham - The San Francisco of North Carolina)
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To: Perdogg

I watched an innocent man talking to the press yesterday.

You can see it in his eyes.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 4:50:02 AM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: Perdogg

mark. Patrick Baker.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 4:50:50 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Perdogg

Excellent. Let's hope the judge knows what's going on and grants that motion.


5 posted on 05/16/2006 5:13:17 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach
Ron Stephens (Judge) is the former DA of Durham, let's hope so.

My guess is the venue will change to Greensboro.
6 posted on 05/16/2006 5:25:19 AM PDT by Perdogg (Durham - The San Francisco of North Carolina)
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To: Peach

Beker didn't mention whether the "said she was raped by 20 men" comment, overheard by Duke officer Day, was said by Durham police Sgt. Shelton or not.


7 posted on 05/16/2006 5:28:13 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: Peach

We know DNA samples are delicate for want of a better word. They don't want to lose the DNA of the boyfriend. There's supposed to be a chain of custody on these samples. When NiFong personally picked up the report, did he also pick up the samples?? He should not be handling it.


8 posted on 05/16/2006 5:32:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
I know that Nifong won the Democratic primary a couple of weeks ago, winning with 45% of the vote. Freda Black came in second with 42% of the vote. I know at the present time, there is no opposition on the Republican side running against Nifong. So unless the Republicans put up a candidate to run against Nifong, then he has will almost definitely will be reelected as Durham County DA.

I read where another candidate can run against Nifong and have their name included on the ballot, if they file by the end on June, as a Republican?

I would like to suggest that the Republicans get together and recruit Freda Black to run again against Nifong. Black pulled in a very good percentage of the Democrats in the primary. If Black would choose to run as a Republican, and she kept a good percentage of those who supported her in the primary, and in addition, she were to capture a sizable majority of the Republican voters, then maybe we would see Nifong defeated at the polls in November.

I would also think she would receive a lot of campaign contributions for her campaign from the many people who are disgusted with the way this DA has handled this case.

If not Freda, then please, I call on the Durham County Republicans put up another candidate?

9 posted on 05/16/2006 6:48:19 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
I would like to suggest that the Republicans get together and recruit Freda Black to run again against Nifong.

I think state law prohibits her from running once she lost the primary.

10 posted on 05/16/2006 7:49:36 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Perdogg
I though that in criminal trials,the defense was entitled to be told of everything the police/prosecution has learned about the case (whether helpful of harmful to the defendant) as it was learned.
11 posted on 05/16/2006 8:27:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative

They are; so far he hasn't coughed up anything.

North Carolina is an open files discovery state; they are entitled to every scrap of paper they have.

Wonder what he got his indictment is.


12 posted on 05/16/2006 8:40:55 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: abb; amutr22; Alia; AntiGuv; AmishDude; Bogeygolfer; BossLady; Brytani; beyondashadow; bwteim; ...
DUKELAX PING!!!
13 posted on 05/16/2006 8:41:27 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Let's hope for more bad news for Nifong today.


14 posted on 05/16/2006 8:42:38 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Howlin
C'mon Nifong. Turn over all information NOW! What are you covering up? Who are you protecting?
15 posted on 05/16/2006 8:43:23 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Howlin

so the defense has not seen a scrap of the DA's evidence yet, but they are entitled to under NC law?


16 posted on 05/16/2006 8:43:30 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Perdogg

My guess is that this accuser will never go on the stand. She couldn't hold up to cross examination by a second grader. Too many lies from the start.


17 posted on 05/16/2006 8:44:39 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: xsmommy

Yep; we're an open files state.

He has said he's "not finished."


18 posted on 05/16/2006 8:46:18 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Enterprise

His problem is that he was already suppose to show the Grand Jury exculpatory evidence and he didn't do it.

The indictment of Evans, for sure, may be thrown out.


19 posted on 05/16/2006 8:47:26 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

i am sure the defense attys are aware of what they are entitled to and will go after it with no holds barred. more power to them. cough it up, nifong.


20 posted on 05/16/2006 8:47:37 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin

he was required to show both exculpatory and incriminatory evidence to the GJ? well no wonder he SCRUPULOUSLY avoided any contact with the defense, as it ensured he HAS no exculpatory evidence!


21 posted on 05/16/2006 8:48:58 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin

>>He has said he's "not finished."

AKA "The dog ate my homework."


22 posted on 05/16/2006 8:52:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: xsmommy

I think you figured that out.


23 posted on 05/16/2006 8:55:34 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: xsmommy

In an interview published yesterday, the accuser's parents whined that their 'little girl' was not being treated fairly. Good grief.


24 posted on 05/16/2006 8:56:37 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: xsmommy

Oh, they know:

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137836065663&path=!localnews&s=1037645509099


He filed his motion yesterday during the blowout press conference.


25 posted on 05/16/2006 8:56:40 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

The DA is withholding discovery??


26 posted on 05/16/2006 8:57:40 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Howlin
Lead sentence from the articled you linked:

"For weeks, defense attorneys have stood in front of TV cameras and countless interviews to eagerly pronounce the innocence of Duke University lacrosse players accused of rape."

I must have missed all those "countless interviews."

27 posted on 05/16/2006 9:02:34 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Howlin

with their unerring eye for the deep pockets among the LAX players, they also bought themselves the opportunity to go up against the best defense attys in the state, and more likely, country. and they will eviscerate that prosecution.


28 posted on 05/16/2006 9:03:04 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin

Good Morning, and thanks for the ping.


29 posted on 05/16/2006 9:03:35 AM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Mo1

Yep.


30 posted on 05/16/2006 9:05:39 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Carolinamom

Three, by my count.

Anybody see anymore?


31 posted on 05/16/2006 9:06:37 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

you know, there is always the possibility that this guy is brilliant, and is going to pull a rabbit out of his prosecutorial hat and make the rest of us, and the highpowered defense attorneys look foolish. but given that his previous experience has been traffic court til fairly recently, i just don't think the odds are in favor of that outcome.


32 posted on 05/16/2006 9:07:53 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Did you hear that the "matter" found on the fingernail was ON TOP OF IT?

If there was DNA on that fingernail, why wasn't it on her REAL nails?

And why isn't he indicting the fourth player? Is he getting a "bye?"


33 posted on 05/16/2006 9:08:03 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: xsmommy

I keep hearing the Ellen Jamiesons on TV saying that "he does have the SANE report that shows bruising and vaginal tears."

Nobody has even SEEN that report (unless he has selectively leaked that, too, like he did the DNA report) so how could they know for sure what it says?


34 posted on 05/16/2006 9:09:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

NOTHING about this case makes sense. not a SINGLE thing. not the behavior of the accused players themselves, not a single fact that we KNOW, makes it seem remotely possible that he has a case here. EVERYTHING is to the contrary.


35 posted on 05/16/2006 9:11:03 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin

and that report combined with semen from a totally extraneous third party proves WHAT? nothing.


36 posted on 05/16/2006 9:11:46 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin; Carolinamom; sissyjane; Peach; All

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/main/index.cgi?7580

This site asked for legal opinions of Nifong's handling of this case. Response #5 is from a University of Maryland Law School professor and is especially good.

"I have never heard of anyone as unethical or venal as Mike Nifong."


37 posted on 05/16/2006 9:14:28 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: xsmommy

Just like somebody said yesterday: her ID of Evans with a mustache makes that 90 percent DNA "match" zero.


38 posted on 05/16/2006 9:14:29 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Did you hear that the "matter" found on the fingernail was ON TOP OF IT?


Really?.....contaminated evidence from the wastebasket....


39 posted on 05/16/2006 9:14:39 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: baltodog
I watched an innocent man talking to the press yesterday. You can see it in his eyes.

He's innocent, but the look in his eyes has nothing to do with it.

40 posted on 05/16/2006 9:15:27 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: xsmommy

I will root for once in my life, no make that twice the first being for the brillant lawyers during the 2000 election and their beating down of gore's team; and these lawyers who will slam dunk the lying skant stripper and nitwit nifong during the trial, does n.c law allow the proceedings to be televised.


41 posted on 05/16/2006 9:15:34 AM PDT by dubyawhoiluv
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To: Howlin
I counted 3 also...the 2 group pressers and yesterday's w/Dave Evans.

The writer is either confused about Nifong's SEVENTY interviews or else he's deliberately planting false info. I go w/the latter motive myself.

I want to hear Nancy Grace's explanation/spin of how the accuser got FLESH on the TOP of that SINGLE fake nail.

42 posted on 05/16/2006 9:15:43 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Peach

Let's hope for more bad news for Nifong today.
______________________________________________

Well the only thing he has in this case is a flawed ID. So what more bad news could he get?


43 posted on 05/16/2006 9:16:54 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yep. See Brady v. Maryland
44 posted on 05/16/2006 9:19:29 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: xsmommy
From Herald Sun article a couple of days ago:

Afterward, attorney Bill Thomas of Durham -- who represents an un-indicted lacrosse player -- said semen found in the dancer's body was "of recent origin" and had been deposited there "immediately prior to her being examined" in connection with the alleged rape.

FR post with link to article

45 posted on 05/16/2006 9:20:38 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

well if the semen they found doesn't belong to a Duke LAX player it sounds pretty damn exculpatory to me.


46 posted on 05/16/2006 9:22:23 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Ken H

the question isn't even if she was RAPED, the question is, was she raped by those that she is accusing of having done it.


47 posted on 05/16/2006 9:23:47 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin
This reminds me of My Cousin Vinny. When he "sweet talks" the prosecutor into giving him his files and Joe Pesci is so happy. Then Pesci's girlfriend tells him he has to because of discovery. Ha ha.
48 posted on 05/16/2006 9:27:02 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: GAgal; xsmommy

"If Mr. Elmostafa's account is accurate, that the investigators asked him if he had anything new to say about the lacrosse case and when he said 'no,� took him to the magistate, then the police detectives involved committed a felony."


Just like we thought.


49 posted on 05/16/2006 9:27:19 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: CollegeRepublican; secret garden

just like you said, SG!


50 posted on 05/16/2006 9:30:02 AM PDT by xsmommy
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