Posted on 05/08/2006 1:57:24 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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A committee said Monday that Duke University administration was slow in addressing the alleged rape involving members of the lacrosse team.
It said key administrators relied too heavily on initial reports from Durham police that the alleged victim "kept changing her story and was not credible."
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(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...
This goes a long way to explain the delay in searching the house.
Also on:
http://www.wral.com/news/9178286/detail.html
Oh. I thought this had something to do with Los Angeles International..
ping
Going from memory. Sorry if I left anyone out.
Since when should Duke have done anything? It was a police matter from the beginning.
And slow to do what? Considering Nifong is purposefully dragging his feet on prosecution, he's the one acting slowly. Duke actually jumped in with both feet cancelling the season.
But I guess if you believe the acuser, then they should have executed the students or something.
Pinging DukeLax list
Is a former Lacrosse player considered EX-LAX?
hint hint.. "Duke should be overseen by a FEMALE and an entirely federally funded leviathan with Rape Gestapos programs.. then this matter would have been dealt with promptly! (See what racist, sexist bigots they are?).
But Nifong, oh yes, straight from the Mother ship.....
See.. all those Take-Back-The-Night types were out with EACH AND EVERY LAX TEAM MEMBERS' PHOTOS.. Pronto! GUILTY ! GUILTY!
Conclusion: The Crucible, at Duke. Female abrogators of justice = Good. Police, Duke President = bad.
Ah, the ****'s gonna fly for that joke!
ughhhhh!....
Thanks for the ping, LB.
I thought of that joke weeks ago and, uncharacteristically for me, had the good taste to not use it.
So let's look at the publically known events:
1) Kim Roberts - Not reliable changed her
story.
2) John Bissey - Said there was an argument about money, time line seemed to be confirmed.
3) ATM photos and recepits. Cellphone records of time and maybe location.
4) 1st DNA test.
5) DPD assessment.
6) Rigged lineup.
Unless the second DNA test comes back positive, or a key witness, as a non-lawyer I don't see a case.
White men can't jump. I guess.
This is the most inane statement I have heard from anyone in a long, long time.
IOW, bunch of dumbasses is scholar's clothing.
Bush's Fault.... or..... Ambiens Fault..... Yeah that's the ticket!!!
thanks for the ping )))
the problem is not the "men" part nor the "white" part....
the problem lies in the fact that they choose the SAME kind of white men....stuffed shirt types who never got their hands dirty once in their elitist upbringing... they may profess to be "Christian" but they are the supeficial type Christians who don't realize that there is right and wrong....
add some good, hard working-class men.....believe me, the attitude would change.....
too often, "diversity" means race. not religion or values or economic status.........
Only if your Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Wiley, etc..etc..
And yes, there is a dependent variable...
That would be foolish. Once the charges are brought and the alleged victim is willing to go on the stand and testify, go through all the depositions during discovery, it will go to trial -- even if it takes up to two years. In the meantime, the parents and the boys will be in a pressure cooker. They won't be able to continue their schooling, can't even get a job to take up the time. They are, for all intents and purposes, under house arrest. Their friends will drop them, their friends won't even be around any more -- they'll be in school. When they're home this summer, they will stay away because they don't know what to say or do. These young men will either break or become so strong with such great character that nothing else in life will stand in their way. I pray that they all have the strength to achieve the latter.
You should hear some of the horror stories of what kids in our schools are going through now. You would have a hard time to keep from sobbing or throwing up.
As I've posted more times than I can count, former President Terry Sanford would have had this sorted out in about three days. Among other things he worked two years as an FBI agent.
In fairness to the Duke admin, they had no reasonable expectation or knowledge that the Durham DA would go nationwide with this story. They probably thought they has some time to carefully sort things out. That doesn't mean they ignored it.
I've often wondered why folks think that rich, clean cut, white, Christian men never seem to work hard... In most cases rich, white, Christian men know the alternatives and chose hard work in areas which provide long term rewards over instant gratification...
I for one do not see that as a character flaw in need of diversification.... I see the diversification required in those groups who complain that someone is better off than they and seeks to bring them down to their level....
Heck, it's not like the cops don't already have those women's number, when the call comes in.
That would really haved sucked if indeed there was a rape.
Crystal was on Ambien! Yeah, that's the ticket! Maybe she and Paddy can play checkers in the patients lounge, hahahaha!
Thank you for the ping.
Nifong's investigators have this timeline for the AV:
"The female arrived at the residence for a party close to 11:30pm on Monday 3/13/2006 and left on Tuesday 3/14/2006 reportedly after midnight."
(Sorry, no link.)
I expect most of you who have been following this on FR are fully aware of the implications of this sort of accusation in the South.
Rape isn't a hand-slap sort of case in North Carolina. If these guys are convicted they won't see the light of day for many years. Defense counsel notwithstanding, nobody around this part of the country wants rapists on the streets. De facto life sentences (30-60 years) are common for first-time rape convictions when there is any kind of aggravating circumstance.
Partially because of a history of lynching, there is an exaggerated concern with "messing" with women of another race. Historically African-americans were subject to being lynched on suspicion, whites were held to very heavy penalties on conviction. Even now, juries and judges aren't going to cut these guys any slack if they are found guilty.
I share in the distress that some feel over the fact that these guys will have to put their educations and their careers on hold. I feel a little outrage over the fact that these guys are going to receive nothing but blame and harsh discipline from their school even if they are innocent.
My big concern is that these guys and their lawyers recognize the size of the stakes and protect themselves (again, if innocent) against wrongful conviction. In my judgement this is a 15-25 year sentence hanging over them.
I don't think the defense is going to hurry anything along, if that hurry might add any risk at all to the chances of conviction.
Here is the report from ABC11.
LOL....he's really going with that?
It said that the initial assessment affected not only the senior administration's perception of the incident, but also may have influenced the behavior of lacrosse players. The committee found that it may have lulled players "into a false sense of security about the events shortly to unfold." It said players "might well have sought legal counsel sooner, had they been aware of the stakes."
where?
11:30 p.m.: Bissey, after being out for a while, returns to his apartment . Several young men are gathered near the back door of 610 Buchanan.
11:50 p.m.: Bissey, on his porch, notices two women walk to the back of the house, where a man greets them.
Midnight: Bissey sees the two women go into the house.
12:20 TO 12:30 a.m.: Tuesday, March 14, Bissey hears voices in the alley beside the house. At least two men are discussing money, one saying, "It's only $100." Bissey sees a man leaning into the window of a car parked outside the house. One of the women he saw earlier gets out of the car and says she needs to get her shoe. She walks to the back door of the house.
Between 12:45 AND 1 A.M.: Bissey sees a car, which at least one of the women had been in earlier, speed away. One man standing across from the house, on the Duke campus, shouts, "... Thank your grandpa for my nice cotton shirt." Several men come out of the house; Bissey hears at least one of them say, "Guys, let's go," repeatedly. Within minutes, there is silence. The lights at 610 Buchanan are dim, and no one is outside.
based on what?
Based on whatever he needs to make her story the truth, I guess.
At the top of this thread.
Is this a farce? Dingaling Brodhead throws his own students and coach under a bus for what is obviously exaggerated if not outright false police reports. Now we learn that the Durham PD determined at the very beginning that the accuser has, as they say, credibility issues. It is amazing how the Durham PD has made efforts to distance itself from this whole debacle and the dingbat DA. Absolutely no evidence has emerged supporting any of the stories the accuser has concocted, and the careers and life trajectory of many people have been ruined.
Only in academia could they conclude that the problem was insufficient diversity, and glorify Brodhead for his rash actions at the expense of his students and university. What a horse's rear end. As we said in college, go to the store, buy a clue, get a free grip.
Again I ask: what can we as alumni do to "Pressler" Brodhead?
D'OH!! I shoulda looked there, instead to trying to be a smartass, lol..
It's quite shocking, IMO.
OK... Let's say for the sake of argument that the AV arrives about 11:30...
Bissey tells us at 11:50 he sees the girls in the car together and some guy is leaning in the window talking to them... They then get out and go into (or back into) the house at 12:00..
They got there at 11:30, danced for a few minutes, got mad at the "here use this" statement, got redressed, walked out to the car and were sitting there at 11:50 when Bissey saw them get out and walk to the back porch...
It is still a monumental stretch to think that 3 guys could rape her in that amount of time between getting dressed and back in the car in time to get coaxed back inside at 11:50...
But, Bissey had the whole story right. He mentioned them coming out and being talked back in, he mentioned Crystal missing a shoe.. Bissey gets it all right, in that initial story when he doesn't know what Nifong is saying
The DPD was on record as of "Friday, March 17, 2006 10:16 AM" ...
"The Durham Police District 2 Criminal Investigations Violent Crimes Unit is conducting an investigation concerning a rape of a young woman by three males at 610 N. Buchanan that was reported on 3/14/06 in the early morning hours. The female arrived at the residence for a party close to 11:30pm on Monday 3/13/2006 and left on Tuesday 3/14/2006 reportedly after midnight. ..."
(Sorry, no link.)
Since it was the boys' bathroom how could there possibly not be their DNA on the AV's clothing.
To be specific, Bissey sees them arrive at 11:50, sees them come go in at 11:55p... Sees them come back out and sees a player leaning into the window talking them back in..
He hears Crystal say her shoe's inside. He notes they BOTH go back in and he sees them come out when they leave.
11:55 is the gold standard for going in..IMO.
Kim Roberts also said they started dancing around Midnight. She's a state's witness (the only sober person according to her) and she says they started their dancing around MIDNIGHT.
Note, the Durham PD is not saying what time she entered the residence.
Bissey says 11:55
Kim Roberts says they start dancing around Midnight.
The state has to overcome that Large Hurdle because Bissey's statement and Kim Roberts match the timestamps on the photos.
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They do have a big problem. The DPD are taking this information from the AV ... WELL before Bissey was aware of a report of "rape" next door.
Get a load of this. This story on the AP wire they have the title 'DUKE's RESPONSE TO ALLEGATIONS EXPLAINED'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/duke_lacrosse;_ylt=A0SOwkfN2V9EzCkBiAis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Say what? The story her is she changed her story and she had said 20 white men raped her.
If the lacrosse players had changed their story wildly .. Do you think the title would be "Nifong explains his response"?
I can't believe the Media is not questioning this case. This is such a monumental miscarriage of justice.
I agree with you BIG-TIME.
Kim Roberts says they started dancing around Midnight
http://ktla.trb.com/news/la-na-lacrosse30apr30,0,5838244.story?coll=ktla-news-1
Yowzer! From your link ...
The day after the March 13 team party where a 27-year-old black woman claimed she was raped, Durham police told campus officers that "this will blow over," the report said. It said that the woman initially told police she was raped by 20 white men, then said she was attacked by three.
Police told the Duke officers that if any charges were filed, "they would be no more than misdemeanors," the report said.
I don't even think I'm going out on a limb here.
She has a mental illness. She constantly changes her story. A woman that has met with her family has said on two national TV programs last night and today, that she's recovering from injuries from an assualt with a broomstick.
Her Father has a mental illness. He wildly changes his story every time he tells it.
She was unresponsive in 2002 (and she was drinking, we know that (DWI .19)). The owner of Diamond Girls strip club said that she became unresponsive in 2002 and they couldn't get her to stop dancing and they couldn't get her off the stage. After being carried off-stage she was unresponsive in the back dressing room. When a woman finally got through to her, she stated she needed a ride. The dancer introduced her to a Taxi cab driver at the club and she stole his keys while dancing for him. Her lawyer never asserted (and neither did she) that she was assualted in any way that night, yet she was in the condition she was in at Kroger - Unresponsive.
She was admitted to a Psych unit in 2005. Her license has been suspended 3 times (WRAL). She reported to police that her husband was going to take her into the woods and kill her. She reported being gang-raped and BEATEN by 3 men in 1996, and never showed up for a follow up interview (or didn't provide any more details when the police requested them.).
This woman has a Mental Illness.. There's a strong case for that.
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