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Why I favor life for Moussaoui
Wikipedia | 5/4/06 | Me

Posted on 05/04/2006 4:24:27 PM PDT by mucho muchacho

A quick painless death is way too good for this monster. he're where he'll spend the rest of his life:

"ADX Florence is generally home to between 400 and 500 male prisoners. About 22 percent of inmates have killed fellow prisoners in other correctional facilities; 35 percent have attempted to attack other prisoners or officers. As a result, most individuals are kept for at least 23 hours each day in solitary confinement. They are housed in a 7-by-12 foot (3.5-by-2 meter) soundproofed room, built behind a steel door and grate. The remaining free hour is spent exercising alone in a separate concrete chamber. Prisoners rarely see each other, and inmates' only human interaction is limited to that of the correctional officers. Religious services are broadcast in from a small chapel.

Most cells' furniture is made almost entirely out of poured concrete, including a desk, stool, and bed covered by a thin mattress. Each chamber contains a toilet that shuts off if plugged, a shower that runs on a timer to prevent flooding, and a sink missing a potentially dangerous tap. Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a 13-inch black and white television that shows only educational programming, which not all inmates are allowed to have, and a cigarette lighter. Windows in rooms are small, set high up in the wall, and point towards the sky, confusing the prisoner as to his specific location within the complex.

The prison as a whole contains countless motion detectors and cameras, 1,400 remote-controlled steel doors, and 12-foot high razor wire fences. Laser beams, pressure pads, and attack dogs guard the area between the prison walls and razor wire."

As an added bonus:

"Many have argued that the psychological effects of long-term solitary confinement can be devastating. Prisoners may suffer from hallucinations, anxiety, problems with impulse control, and self-mutilation. In addition, confinement may encourage anger and rage, resulting in further violence. Depression may set in, with prisoners becoming extremely lethargic, losing memory, and refusing to exercise."


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1 posted on 05/04/2006 4:24:28 PM PDT by mucho muchacho
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To: mucho muchacho

Am I logged in?


2 posted on 05/04/2006 4:25:22 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mucho muchacho

I like the gang member who was sentenced to that supermax prison. He told the judge "You're sentencing me to die a little every day"


3 posted on 05/04/2006 4:27:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: mucho muchacho

Well, it sounds like a good punishment until I think about paying for it the rest of his life with my money. Then I would prefer they would just knock him off.


4 posted on 05/04/2006 4:27:38 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: mysterio
Am I logged in?

No. You need to reset your beeber.

5 posted on 05/04/2006 4:28:22 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: TXBubba
I heard a figure today of $36K per year. Wonder if that includes an education should he want one./s
6 posted on 05/04/2006 4:29:13 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: TXBubba

Actually he is just going to turn into a terrorist bargaining chip to be released in a hostage exchange.

We are going to have to find the courage to kill our enemies soon.


7 posted on 05/04/2006 4:29:25 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: mucho muchacho

To me, the best thing about a life sentence is that the creep no longer has a forum.

He has enjoyed the limelight. That's over.

Were he sentenced to death, there would be appeals and hubbub before the execution. This way, he's gone. Wish we didn't even have to feed him, but at least we don't have to hear about him any more.


8 posted on 05/04/2006 4:29:31 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: xjcsa

I think I made a series mistake, then.


9 posted on 05/04/2006 4:29:54 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Chickensoup

I can't imagine that would ever really happen. Has the US ever released a convicted terrorist in a prisoner exchange? I know other countries have.


10 posted on 05/04/2006 4:30:36 PM PDT by mucho muchacho
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To: Chickensoup

Ramsey Yusef hasn't become a bargaining chip.


11 posted on 05/04/2006 4:31:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: mucho muchacho
a 13-inch black and white television that shows only educational programming,

This program is brought to you by the letter "R".

12 posted on 05/04/2006 4:33:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: mucho muchacho

We haven't been in a situation like this before. These people dont play by the rules and we are acting like we are way to good. Sort of like the redcoats in colonial America.


13 posted on 05/04/2006 4:33:23 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

It won't last long.

I'm certain that he'll become the girlfriend of some thug within three months of prison...and dead within a year.


14 posted on 05/04/2006 4:33:44 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Chickensoup; mucho muchacho
We haven't been in a situation like this before. These people dont play by the rules and we are acting like we are way to good. Sort of like the redcoats in colonial America.

If we change our basic principles and beliefs BECAUSE of them, they've won.
15 posted on 05/04/2006 4:34:15 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: MikefromOhio
We already changed. Years ago we would have known what to do with a prisoner of war. We would have hanged him and not turned this into a media show.
16 posted on 05/04/2006 4:39:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: Dog Gone
This program is brought to you by the letter "R".

Can you say 'Rape? I knew you could!

17 posted on 05/04/2006 4:39:57 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Chickensoup

don't you get it?

He WANTS to be hanged.

You have the strategic vision of General Custer. I salute you.


18 posted on 05/04/2006 4:40:35 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: All

Would Moussaoui be there in his cell now or does it take a few days? What's the normal process?


19 posted on 05/04/2006 4:41:21 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: hole_n_one

It's almost ironic that this was posted by "Hole n one"!!! LOL


20 posted on 05/04/2006 4:41:30 PM PDT by JRios1968 (In memoriam...)
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To: mucho muchacho

Well, in Rome he'd be crucified or tossed to the lions, in Qin China boiled alive [or buried alive], in Middle Ages burned or blinded, branded, drawn and quartered, and Ivan the Terrible would have him hanged by a rib on a hook - over a small fire. True conservatives ought to cherish the old traditions.


21 posted on 05/04/2006 4:42:09 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: mucho muchacho
The following is a list of former and current inmates at Supermax, Florence CO. Notice the large population of Islamic terrorists. Moussaoui will be among friends. Note also that it appears that some prisoners have been killed in at Florence. However, none of the dead is an Islamic terrorist:

- Omar Abdel-Rahman - leader of the New York City landmark bomb plot

- Mahmud Abouhalima - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

- Ahmad Mohammed Ajaj - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

- Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali - involved in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings

- Mohammed Ali Hassan Al-Moayad - helped to finance al-Qaeda and Hamas

- Mirssa Araiza-Reyes - drug smuggler and undocumented alien; killed inmate Frank Melendez

- Nidal Ayyad - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

- Tyler Davis Bingham - Aryan Brotherhood member

- Maynard Campell - a 55 year old white separatist with ties to militia groups; was stabbed to death.

- Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso - Lucchese Crime Family figure and killer of at least 35 people

- Ibrahim Elgabrowny - involved in the New York City landmark bomb plot

- Wadih El Hage - involved in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings

- Joey Estrella - convicted bank robber, killed in ADX Florence.

- Luis Felipe (a.k.a. King Blood) - Latin Kings gang leader

- Ronald Griesacker- Fraudster, passed $2 million in worthless checks. Released in 2002.

- Matthew F. Hale - White supremacist, (unsuccessfully) solicited the murder of federal judge Joan Lefkow

- Rodney Hambrick - serving a 68-year sentence on bomb charges

- Clement Rodney Hampton-Ell (a.k.a. Dr. Rashid) - involved in the New York City landmark bomb plot

- Robert Haney - bank robber

- Robert Hanssen- a former FBI agent serving life for spying for the U.S.S.R. for two decades

- Charles Harrelson - Mobster, father of actor Woody Harrelson

- Larry Hoover - Gangster Disciples gang leader

- Eyad Ismoil - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

- Anthony Jones - Multiple murderer

- Theodore Kaczynski - The Unabomber

- Yu Kikumura - member of the Japanese Red Army

- David Lane - Neo-Nazi leader, racketeering, conspiracy and violating the civil rights of radio talk show host Alan Berg

- Joseph Leissler - robber, murderer

- Raymond Luc Levasseur - American domestic bomber

- Tom Manning - Killed a New Jersey state trooper.

- Joseph Bryant McGee - bank robber

- Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001), executed for Oklahoma City bombing

- Frank Melendez - a cocaine dealer from California killed in ADX Florence by Mirssa Araiza-Reyes.

- Barry Byron Mill - Aryan Brotherhood member

- Khalfan Khamis Mohamed - involved in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings

- Dandeny Munoz-Mosquera - chief assassin for Pablo Escobar, responsible for the bombing of Avianca Flight 203

- Zacarias Moussaoui - Convicted for the September 11, 2001 attacks and sentenced to 6 life terms without parole in ADX Florence [1]

- Abdul Hakim Murad - involved in Operation Bojinka

- Terry Nichols - involved in the Oklahoma City bombing

- El Sayyid Nosair - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

- Raymond Oechsle - was incarcerated with Casso from 2001 to 2002 at ADX.

- Richard Reid - The "Shoe Bomber"

- Ahmed Ressam - serving 23 years for attempting to blow up Los Angeles International Airport

- Omar Mohammed Rezaq - Hijacked an Air Egypt flight in Greece in 1985.

- Oscar Rivera - leader of the Armed Forces of National Liberation, a Puerto Rican terrorist group, for bombing 28 targets in the Chicago area. Received an additional 15-year sentence for an escape attempt (from another prison).

- Eric Robert Rudolph - Olympic Park Bomber

- Mohammed A. Salameh - involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

Thomas Silverstein -- Bank robber and murderer; killed guard Merle Clutts in another facility.

- Mutulu Shakur- an acupuncturist turned self-professed freedom fighter for the group Republic of New Afrika, sentenced to 60 years for bank robbery, conspiracy and murder (during the robbery, a policeman and two guards were killed.) Stepfather of late rapper Tupac Shakur, brother of Assata Shakur

- Douglas Taylor - Leader of the 88 Skinheads

- Saxon Taylor - Skinhead leader

- Manuel Torrez - 64 year old inmate killed at the hands of other inmates, the first in Supermax history.[2][3]

- Earnest James Ujaama - tried to develop an al-Qaeda camp in Oregon

- David Vargas - Convicted Of - Drugs & Voluntary Manslaughter.

- Danny Weeks - kidnapper

- Ramzi Ahmed Yousef - terrorist, involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and Operation

22 posted on 05/04/2006 4:42:23 PM PDT by JCEccles (Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
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To: MikefromOhio
Are you ?

This could be

23 posted on 05/04/2006 4:43:10 PM PDT by JRios1968 (In memoriam...)
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To: mucho muchacho
If they can "compel" him to commit suicide in a horrible, painful, drawn out way, it would be ideal. Well, maybe not ideal, but as close to ideal that we could get away with (the whole 'gang-raping by horny pitbulls with AIDS followed by mechanically cheese grating him feet first while he sits in an acid bath and is stabbed with hot pokers' thing just isn't realistic).

:)

24 posted on 05/04/2006 4:44:20 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: MikefromOhio

At least they won't have to change the direction of the
commode, they can just paint an arrow on the wall pointing
to it, with the word Mecca.


25 posted on 05/04/2006 4:44:37 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: MikefromOhio
"He WANTS to be hanged. "
Then indulge him by granting his wish and hang him by the appendages. Avoid the drop and use broad elastic ribbon instead of the rope.
26 posted on 05/04/2006 4:45:07 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: mucho muchacho
All the guy is now....is an oxygen pirate.

As far as housing him for the rest of his life....I'd house him in the nearest Seaboard facility.

27 posted on 05/04/2006 4:47:09 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: MikefromOhio

He WANTS to be hanged.

And he should, quietly immediately and body burned.

No forums.

No drama.


28 posted on 05/04/2006 4:47:17 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: Chickensoup
Sort of like the redcoats in colonial America.

Yes...and the rest of the world is using guerrilla warfare while we stand in rows and forget to duck.

29 posted on 05/04/2006 4:48:42 PM PDT by madison10 (Tancredo and Hayworth 2008)
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To: JCEccles
- Charles Harrelson - Mobster, father of actor Woody Harrelson

Say what?

30 posted on 05/04/2006 4:48:49 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Chickensoup

you're in an absolute dreamworld if you THINK for one second there wouldn't be any drama or forums.

Ideally he would be hanged and that's that, but that isn't possible today.

Denying such is just an example of being completely out of touch.


31 posted on 05/04/2006 4:48:49 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: AlaninSA
I'm certain that he'll become the girlfriend of some thug within three months of prison...and dead within a year.

I'll bet you $400 bucks he ain't dead within a year.

We will get someone reliable here on FR to hold our money.

You game?

32 posted on 05/04/2006 4:49:42 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: JRios1968
If only I hadn't done that 6th shot of JD just before I registered with FR and had to come up with a screenname on the fly.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd make sure I was hammered on vodka instead.

33 posted on 05/04/2006 4:49:53 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: GSlob

LOL

That'd work.


34 posted on 05/04/2006 4:51:18 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: GSWarrior

Old news. More trivia: Charles Harrelson was in Dallas on 11/22/1963. He was one of the criminal drifters who was rounded up and questioned in the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination.


35 posted on 05/04/2006 4:52:09 PM PDT by JCEccles (Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
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To: tet68

I actually made that joke today at work when we were talking about it :)

And they should feed him hotdogs and sausages almost exclusively :)


36 posted on 05/04/2006 4:52:20 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: Dog Gone

Better yet, only one channel and it's TBN.


37 posted on 05/04/2006 4:52:54 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Gringos Unite!!!)
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To: JCEccles

It's new news to me.


38 posted on 05/04/2006 4:54:04 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: hole_n_one

Vodka...the fluid of life!!!


39 posted on 05/04/2006 4:55:06 PM PDT by JRios1968 (In memoriam...)
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To: JCEccles

Looks like an all male prison. Where will they put Mary McCarthy?


40 posted on 05/04/2006 4:56:21 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: MikefromOhio
And they should feed him hotdogs and sausages almost exclusively.........

.........and have regulation NFL footballs covering every square inch of all 4 walls + ceiling of his cell.

41 posted on 05/04/2006 4:58:47 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

LOL


42 posted on 05/04/2006 5:02:41 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: MikefromOhio

You live in a dream world if you think that the response should be anything less.


43 posted on 05/04/2006 5:06:40 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: Osage Orange

Sorry...spent all the money on gas...


44 posted on 05/04/2006 5:09:06 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Chickensoup

LOL

Since when does being a FReeper mean being disconnected from reality?

You may not like it, but the $hit WOULD hit the fan if he were executed.

Not to mention that it would create a Martyr AND would allow every freak in the nation a chance to protest.

This is much better. Not necessarily right, but BETTER.


45 posted on 05/04/2006 5:10:26 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: mucho muchacho

It doesn't sound too good. But there are benefits:

1. You don't have to do the dishes.
2. You don't have to file an income tax return
3. You get to watch "24-The Educational TV Version"
4. You get to read War & Peace 1500 times.


46 posted on 05/04/2006 5:15:30 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Dog Gone
a 13-inch black and white television that shows only educational programming,

"No more purple dinosaur! He haunts my dreams! Always with the 'I love you, you love me...' It is driving me insane. Allah deliver me!

47 posted on 05/04/2006 5:15:43 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MikefromOhio

I have been freeping since 97. Daily. Now under a different name with JR's blessing.

I know what reality is...and I know what we are growing.Time to confront the monster before it grows more heads.


48 posted on 05/04/2006 5:17:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.The water in the pot is getting warmer, froggies.)
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To: AlaninSA

Thought so......


49 posted on 05/04/2006 5:18:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: Chickensoup
I have been freeping since 97. Daily. Now under a different name with JR's blessing.

What do you want, a medal?

I know what reality is...and I know what we are growing.Time to confront the monster before it grows more heads.

This coming from a guy who thinks that any execution of Moussouai WOULDN'T be a circus. No thanks, I'll stick to what I think thank you very much.
50 posted on 05/04/2006 5:18:51 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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