Posted on 04/08/2006 9:57:04 PM PDT by BJungNan
After meeting her I have become in love with the breed. You may want to consider one, though they may be expensive...
Am Bulldogs are much taller and larger with stamina...and about half the price.
You don't want me on that jury.
A dog that has been bred to destroy any other animal that enters it's 'pit'? Certainly not. The owner's picking up this tab.
Sure, only if I can shoot them if they come within 50 yards of me and my children.
I do not understand why people let their dogs, of any sort, run around loose.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1611709/posts
Heartwarming pitbull story....
"After 80 deaths and 900 hospitalizations caused by pits...No!"
Oh boy, here we go again. Where ARE you getting your numbers? The CDC reported 60 total deaths by pit bull type dogs since 1979. They also stopped doing these studies after 1999 because they themselves said it was too inaccurate to be of any use. Also, they counted mixes of these breeds as actual purebred dogs, adding about 10 deaths, regardless of what the other part of the "mix" was.
You really need to stop posting numbers that are wrong. You are making yourself look silly.
Here ya go...broken down by breed and mixes through Feb 2005. Doesn't include all 15 or so Piticides that occurred in 2005 though. The problem is getting worse. Probably why the Pit breeders like to cite 15 year old stats.
http://www.animaladvocates.com/dangerous-dogs/Dog%20attack%20deaths%20and%20maiming82%20to%20feb%202005.pdf
I cannot access this site due to problems with adobe acrobat. I believe this is the same site you chose to use in an earlier post. But you have also said "doesn't include all 15 or so piticides that occurred in 2005" I would like to see where you got that number as well. I am not being mean, I am curious.
And I don't cite old stats. If you looked, the CDC stopped in 1999. That is only a few years old. But at the same time, they stopped doing these stats because even they couldn't in good consciense publish flawed statistics, knowing their effects would be negative to those around that are innocent.
Not to mention we still haven't addressed the 4 million, nine hundred eighty or so pit bulls that haven't done anything wrong. Can you imagine if we killed all the white males ages 18-35 simply because they're the number one rapist/serial killer? I would bet you and many others would have a big problem with that, as would I.
No, dogs aren't the same as people, but we tend to humanize them in an attempt to understand them better. Doesn't do any good. They're dogs. They are way less evil than we are. I don't even think it would be possible to number the amount of pit bulls we have brutally killed. And I'm not talking humane euthanasia, I am talking brutal, cruel, horrific murder. We are the only species capable of that.
Here's the link Mike...
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=97006&ran=249564
I don't truly blame the dogs either...they are doing what they were bred to do. They are a relatively young breed created by men for a dubious purpose.
"And the death toll from pit bulls just keeps climbing. Don Bauermeister, the Council Bluffs, Iowa, assistant city attorney who helped ban pit bulls in his town and who keeps gruesome statistics on bad dogs, says there have been 27 fatal dog bites in the United States this year."
I wonder why this attorney has statistics that no one else seems to be able to get. It may be because he's making them up. I would love to see where he got these numbers, since no organization I have come across has anywhere near that many deaths listed.
And the author, she is known to be biased against the breed. Many people have written her with facts and she even admits to ignoring them. She'll have none of it if it interferes with her opinion. Just ask her. She tells people not to bother writing her if they don't agree with her on this subject. Real fair reporting there.
This is exactly the problem. These people who are biased are in charge of delivering unbiased news that people trust. This kind of reporting does no good for anyone. She needs to get off her high horse and stop reporting from her heart. She needs to start paying attention to the facts.
There are many cities now that are voting against Breed Specific Legislation because they get all the facts before anything bad happens, and they find a set of rules that works for them for any dangerous dog, not just a few of a certain breed. In England, despite the fact that they have banned pit bulls for years, the number of dog bites has not decreased one bit. Other dogs take their place. And until people can start regulating the owners of these dogs, this will continue to be the trend.
Fifty years ago, the pit bull was a noble, respected breed. The dog itself hasn't changed, but the owners have. That is what we need to address.
Breeders are changing them dude...They are making them bigger and badder.
Check this 132lb Blue Male Pit named "Goliath", only $12,000!
http://muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males.html
Those are not pit bulls. They're high priced mutts. They had to go and ruin a good breed by bringing in mastiff blood. That is the only way they could make pits go from maximum sixty pounds to those freaks. That is where all the trouble lies. They actually had to bring other dog breeds in to make them that way. Real pit bulls are very small. Most people who see them for the first time are surprised at how small they really are. Those guys are idiots, selling mutts to other idiots. Period.
Then you have this guy advertising Human Aggressive Pits...
http://www.classicpitbulls.com/home.htm
Sooo.... how is this not an owner problem?? Obviously these people are breeding dogs for looks and for aggressive tendencies. The dogs themselves are being used to make money, no matter how far from the standard they are.
None of these dogs are what should be called pit bulls. They're mutts. They don't fit the standard looks wise or attitude. It's an insult to the breed for people to ruin it like that, and makes people with actual apbt's as pets look bad. I would never associate with someone who would use a life to benefit financially.
You see, there are two schools of thought on this. One is, the people who have these dogs as pets and admire them for their nature. These are the majority, who never have a problem with their dog, because their dog isn't a problem.
They have true apbt's. The dogs are small, muscular, super energetic, friendly to a fault, and easily trained. Most people wouldn't recognise them as pit bulls, because they're so used to the larger, more vicious dogs that are called pits nowadays. The owners don't feel the need to breed them, as there are so many dogs in need of a good home in animal shelters throughout the U.S. The dogs are up to date on their vaccinations, microchipped, speutered, and most importantly, treated as members of the family.
Then you have the minority. The people who have these dogs as status symbols, and either use them to fight their own battles or use them to look cool and guard their stuff. These dogs are overgrown, have huge heads and gaping mouths, and always look like they're out of breath. They are tempermentally unsound, and health wise, they only live about a year, at the maximum, due to fighting, getting lost, being killed by their owners, or attacking someone and getting euthanised.
The vast majority of these dogs never live long enough to see their 5th birthday. They breed them at 5 and 6 months old, and again and again until they die, making money off the sick, malnourished, unstable puppies. They have had to bring in mastiffs of all kinds, dobermans, danes, rotts, and other breeds to make these dogs more aggressive, larger, and more to what they consider the standard should be. They call these dogs "purebred monster pits" or "giant pits" etc. and sell them for over a thousand dollars to other thugs who think they're getting some great bloodline that kicks ass.
The problem with the first group is simply by association, as their dogs aren't the ones causing trouble. But since the name is there, they tend to get put in the second group by people who don't know there are two groups in the first place.
The problem with the second group is obvious. These people don't care about the breed. They're out to make money, look cool, and guard their crack houses. The dog is just a tool to them, so being honest about breeding them, giving them the care and socialization they need, and treating them as pets are all foreign things to them.
This is the group that makes it hard for everyone. These are the people that are ruining the name of a breed that used to be the all-time American favorite. These are the ones breeding man-biters.
Fifty years ago we had pit bulls. Unfortunately, they were bred to fight other dogs, but you never heard of them killing people. It just didn't happen. Those dogs would fight any dog, any time, to the death, but would never hurt a person.
Something happened about 25 or so years ago. Some thugs got hold of the breed and have been making their own "lines" ever since. These new dogs are no more "pit bull" than they are Elvis.
But there are still many many great pit bulls out there. The ones you never hear about, the 4.9 million or so not causing bodily harm or death, are still cared for by families. You just don't see any of them because why would you?
You don't hear on the news about the hundreds of planes that DON'T crash every day, or the freak accident that COULD have happened, or the parents who DIDN'T leave their child alone where he choked on something small. It isn't news, because that stuff is normal, and it happens every day.
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