Posted on 12/30/2005 3:19:33 PM PST by N. Beaujon
There is no relativism here. You cite the idiots down in TN and MS (or anywhere else) who hobble their Walkers? As far as I'm concerned all of them should be in jail, too, along with any "vets" who make such excuses.
You have to be a COMPLETE idiot to need a chain to train a horse.
This type of behavior is so far from the principles of classical dressage that it isn't even in the same universe. She should be censured by the USEF and probably will be if she is still a member.
A top-ranked jumper trainer/rider was lifetime cashiered from USEF for killing horses for the insurance money among other things. His son was fined and suspended for a time for using sharp objects under the front boots on his jumpers to keep them from hitting rails with their shins.
Where knowledge ends, violence begins.
Thanks
Exacly. Never do anything in anger. If your horse has just thrown you or kicks out at you, you can take your crop or a lead rope and go after it screaming, "NO. DON'T YOU EVER PULL A STUNT LIKE THAT WITH ME." The disapproval and shock they feel from your tone of voice will usually do the trick. This sort of behavior should only happen once. As in, when you are training a very young horse under saddle.
If you do have a horse that you cant handle and it exhibits any repeat aggression toward you, sell it to someone who can handle it. You cannot beat a horse into submission.
People can be really funny about their horses. As in "who cares if the vet gets killed, I don't want my horse sedated." The vet's well-being comes FIRST at my house and he knows best. I didn't go to vet school.
Also, people who are insanely picky about the tack used on their horses are truly nutty.
Anyone who has been around horses long enough has lost their temper and done something they regret and wouldn't repeat. The trick is to not do it with an audience and have an understanding vet.
couldnt agree more with your comments.
Hey you, having any trouble with fires over there? We had one the other day within half a mile but the fire department got it put out quickly.
I think there is a big difference between the temporary insanity of losing your temper and deliberate acts. People kill horses all the time for the insurance money. I've never heard of using sharp objects in the horses boots to keep them from hitting rails but it doesn't surprise me.
Many dressage horses are champions in the ring and renegades in hand. Unlike you, I choose to know the situation before I pass judgment.
ping
"Not to hurt our humble brethren [the animals] is our first duty to them, but to stop there is not enough. We have a higher mission: to be of service to them whenever they require it." ~God's Covenant with Animals, Lantern Books, 2000, xii
"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men."
St. Francis of Assisi (1181-1226)
Proverbs 12:10 (New International Version)
10 A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal,
but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.
"You have to be a COMPLETE idiot to need a chain to train a horse."
You don't think people should use stud chains?
That just sucks. Not sure I can anything else to say. It just sucks. Period.
Sure, it sucks. It always sucks when an animal is hurt.
Exactly.
Nothing near me. There were some up around Farmersville, but that is 15 miles or so away. So far, we have been spared. There were several other outbreaks in Collin County but not hear us.
Thank goodness they got that fire out before it got closer to you. A half mile is WAY too close.
If one is in danger of becoming angry or losing their temper with a horse, one should walk away and calm down before continuing. A horse only knows how to be a horse. That is all they know how to be. We are the ones with the "big" brains and the responsibility is on us to communicate in a way they can understand without fear.
That girl's problem with this horse began long before she got to the place where she lost control of herself and beat him. She set herself up for failure.
So true
Cooly and intentionally applying cruel methods to acheive a particular result, or outright frauds, which we know takes place all the time in horse showing, makes my blood boil too, and that's who I'd like to see knocked out of horse ownership and competition for life.
I think if you're a breeder and dealing with studs, it's often a reasonable choice. I still don't think chains belong around horses but breeding and training a gelding or mare for sport are two different things.
Even if you do use a stud chain around its snout because it's the only thing that will keep him in line, if you end up inflicting 22 stiches and staples on that horse it isnt the horses fault, it's the fault of a talentless or scared $#^7-less handler. And if fear breeds that kind of aggression in a handler they have NO business being around studs.
I absolutely agree with you, Hair. Such methods have no place in classical dressage and are anathema to it. Trainers and riders who resort/employ these methods have no knowledge or skill, only brute force.
If such methods were exhibited during a USEF-regulated competition, the technical delegate would excuse them from the competition and the show grounds, then make a complaint/report to the USEF.
Usually, people who use these methods only use them behind the closed doors of their own facilities. If a trainer does not allow prospective and current clients to watch training sessions, never let him lay a hand on your horse. He has something to hide.
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