Posted on 12/30/2005 3:19:33 PM PST by N. Beaujon
I don't care how nasty a horse is,( I know some are) you don't beat it with a chain period
Thanks for the ping. I'm with you, Hair. I've also lost my temper with my horses (not lately, I have infinitely more patience since having children) and done things I've regretted. So many horrible things happen to horses, like the "soring" you and another freeper mentioned, to letting them starve, sending them to the killers, etc. This incident most likely was a temporary loss of temper and lapse in judgement. I'm not gittin' my panties in a wad over it.
"Many dressage riders and hunter jumper riders are so uptight you couldn't drive a ten penny nail up their butthole with a sledgehammer"
ROTFL!!
No one says you should beat a horse with a chain. It's not only damaging to the relationship with the horse, it's possibly permanently damaging to appearance of a horse that is likely a top caliber show horse. It's counter productive and stupid.
But we ~have~ to be careful and relative about this. For all we know, this chick lost her temper in a very out of character moment. Handling and training horses is not always nickers and sugar cubes. They can and will test your patience, your strength, your confidence and your forgiveness.
This chick will be handled by this court. She's gonna pay some penalties for this, and she's definately suffering some embarrassment in the circles she travels in and will for some time to come.
She'll be lucky if she's not blacklisted out of the Dressage Federation.
That horse probably cost the woman in the 6 figure range. On the surface it sounds like "woman beat horse" story but there's got to be more to it than that. The woman in the incident lost her temper but it wasn't because of the horse, he just took the brunt of it. Something else is going on here.
Husband and I have a rule - walk away if you're angry - nothing is accomplished then. However, we also have a saying (stolen from John Lyons maybe) that when a horse seriously tries to hurt us, we have ten seconds to kill it in. Obviously you can't kill it in ten seconds but that's as long as punsihment should last.
So can dogs but I have never beat my Maddie with a chain to the point where stitches were required
Something is just wrong here
I have to agree but after reading some the comments on this thread I am begining to think "harsh" treatment is more common than I ever thought
Well, if it was a twitch she had in her hand she'd been fighting him over something for awhile. A twitch is a device I happen to find a deplorable last resort choice to control the horse and if that device had also failed her and he pulled out of it, that is really flash maddening.
My most enraging and ultimately embarrassing horse moment was with Bay, almost 15 years ago now, when he wouldn't load in the trailer. After three days of trying to beg, plead, pull and push him in we strapped him every which way and when he pulled back, he ended up going down and slicing both his face and his leg open. Both Bob, who owned him at the time, and I, who was helping because I was thought to be good at that kind of thing, were heartbroken and embarrassed that we'd let that happen. Never again. A better way has to be found, because trying to use brute force to make a horse do something he doesn't want to do will almost always ultimately fail.
Truth is, the old straight load short trailer Bob had was too small for him and Bay knew it.
Of course something's wrong! That's why she's been arrested!!!
I support that!
Don't get me or anyone else wrong if we are reasoning through what we know goes on with horses, what the law should be and how it should be applied.
No one supports the actions of this woman!
I know Beaker.
It seems anything less than calling for her to be lynched seems like support :~D
Oh no I know that but horses are new to me
I just started taking horsebacking lessons myself and I can't imagine anyone hurting my horse Missy (although I can certainly see losing one's temper)
I don't even own one of those "chain on a stick" twitches. I do have a humane twitch but never need to use it.
The maddest I've ever gotten at a horse, and done something I regret, is when I had this unbelievably stoopid horse named Buddy. You couldn't tie him up (I wasn't told of that trait when I bought him and I didn't remember to ask) and he was a big horse. I finally got so sick of him pulling back at the least little thing that I tied him to a tree with a tractor chain (he broke everything else) and left him there for a few hours. He was black and blue from fighting to get loose but the chain held him.
I ALWAYS make sure I ask if a horse will stand tied before I'll even go look at one. I'd rather have a cribber.
Oh I know that you don't condone her behavior. My statment was more for discussion than a direct (or even sideways) attmept to contradict you. After all, you know where I hang out! :-D
"After all, you know where I hang out! :-D"
And we're a comin' after you, sister! ;)
I don't have either kind of twitch either. Seen them used long ago, and to tell you the truth, I never saw them really work. I'm not strong enough or committed enough to them to really enforce it. Phooey. I quit showing, I don't have to trim inside ears, and if it's a medical procedure they won't stand still for, that's what drugs are for.
Both seem like good rules :~D
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