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Ranked Rider Arrested For Beating Horse With Chain(Sign Petition)
WCBS-TV ^ | Dec. 27, 2005 | unknown

Posted on 12/30/2005 3:19:33 PM PST by N. Beaujon

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To: vetvetdoug

I don't care how nasty a horse is,( I know some are) you don't beat it with a chain period


21 posted on 12/30/2005 6:07:31 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Thanks for the ping. I'm with you, Hair. I've also lost my temper with my horses (not lately, I have infinitely more patience since having children) and done things I've regretted. So many horrible things happen to horses, like the "soring" you and another freeper mentioned, to letting them starve, sending them to the killers, etc. This incident most likely was a temporary loss of temper and lapse in judgement. I'm not gittin' my panties in a wad over it.


22 posted on 12/30/2005 6:19:24 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: vetvetdoug

"Many dressage riders and hunter jumper riders are so uptight you couldn't drive a ten penny nail up their butthole with a sledgehammer"

ROTFL!!


23 posted on 12/30/2005 6:23:03 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: apackof2; tuffydoodle

No one says you should beat a horse with a chain. It's not only damaging to the relationship with the horse, it's possibly permanently damaging to appearance of a horse that is likely a top caliber show horse. It's counter productive and stupid.

But we ~have~ to be careful and relative about this. For all we know, this chick lost her temper in a very out of character moment. Handling and training horses is not always nickers and sugar cubes. They can and will test your patience, your strength, your confidence and your forgiveness.

This chick will be handled by this court. She's gonna pay some penalties for this, and she's definately suffering some embarrassment in the circles she travels in and will for some time to come.


24 posted on 12/30/2005 6:37:28 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

She'll be lucky if she's not blacklisted out of the Dressage Federation.

That horse probably cost the woman in the 6 figure range. On the surface it sounds like "woman beat horse" story but there's got to be more to it than that. The woman in the incident lost her temper but it wasn't because of the horse, he just took the brunt of it. Something else is going on here.


25 posted on 12/30/2005 6:53:20 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Husband and I have a rule - walk away if you're angry - nothing is accomplished then. However, we also have a saying (stolen from John Lyons maybe) that when a horse seriously tries to hurt us, we have ten seconds to kill it in. Obviously you can't kill it in ten seconds but that's as long as punsihment should last.


26 posted on 12/30/2005 7:01:04 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes but as someone who has this much experience she knows that horses can be difficult

So can dogs but I have never beat my Maddie with a chain to the point where stitches were required

Something is just wrong here

27 posted on 12/30/2005 7:02:11 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: HairOfTheDog; tuffydoodle; apackof2
But we ~have~ to be careful and relative about this.
We've all done things that we shouldn't have when we've lost our tempers. But to hit a horse with a stud chain or twitch enough to require 22 stitches, to me that goes beyond a loss of temper. One also has to wonder if the witnesses who came forward to give accounts were actually horse people or not. I wonder if she's had outbursts like this before.
28 posted on 12/30/2005 7:04:45 PM PST by Beaker
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To: Beaker
to me that goes beyond a loss of temper

I have to agree but after reading some the comments on this thread I am begining to think "harsh" treatment is more common than I ever thought

29 posted on 12/30/2005 7:07:21 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: tuffydoodle

Well, if it was a twitch she had in her hand she'd been fighting him over something for awhile. A twitch is a device I happen to find a deplorable last resort choice to control the horse and if that device had also failed her and he pulled out of it, that is really flash maddening.

My most enraging and ultimately embarrassing horse moment was with Bay, almost 15 years ago now, when he wouldn't load in the trailer. After three days of trying to beg, plead, pull and push him in we strapped him every which way and when he pulled back, he ended up going down and slicing both his face and his leg open. Both Bob, who owned him at the time, and I, who was helping because I was thought to be good at that kind of thing, were heartbroken and embarrassed that we'd let that happen. Never again. A better way has to be found, because trying to use brute force to make a horse do something he doesn't want to do will almost always ultimately fail.

Truth is, the old straight load short trailer Bob had was too small for him and Bay knew it.


30 posted on 12/30/2005 7:10:36 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: apackof2
Something is just wrong here

Of course something's wrong! That's why she's been arrested!!!

I support that!

31 posted on 12/30/2005 7:11:44 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: apackof2

Don't get me or anyone else wrong if we are reasoning through what we know goes on with horses, what the law should be and how it should be applied.

No one supports the actions of this woman!


32 posted on 12/30/2005 7:15:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Beaker

I know Beaker.

It seems anything less than calling for her to be lynched seems like support :~D


33 posted on 12/30/2005 7:15:57 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
No one supports the actions of this woman!

Oh no I know that but horses are new to me

I just started taking horsebacking lessons myself and I can't imagine anyone hurting my horse Missy (although I can certainly see losing one's temper)

34 posted on 12/30/2005 7:18:00 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I don't even own one of those "chain on a stick" twitches. I do have a humane twitch but never need to use it.

The maddest I've ever gotten at a horse, and done something I regret, is when I had this unbelievably stoopid horse named Buddy. You couldn't tie him up (I wasn't told of that trait when I bought him and I didn't remember to ask) and he was a big horse. I finally got so sick of him pulling back at the least little thing that I tied him to a tree with a tractor chain (he broke everything else) and left him there for a few hours. He was black and blue from fighting to get loose but the chain held him.

I ALWAYS make sure I ask if a horse will stand tied before I'll even go look at one. I'd rather have a cribber.


35 posted on 12/30/2005 7:22:55 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: apackof2
have to agree but after reading some the comments on this thread I am beginning to think "harsh" treatment is more common than I ever thought

There's firm treatment of a horse, and then there's treatment like what this bozo did. You have to be firmer with a horse than you would with a dog or cat simply because horses are big, horses are powerful, they can hurt you really easily, and if a horse gets it in its mind that it's going to win, it will. You can't let a horse get away with anything, because given an inch it will take a mile. An obnoxious behavior has the potential to turn into something dangerous. But you never want to intentionally hurt a horse. Never ever hit it about the head with anything, for example. But the simple fact is, that if you're a horse person, you've lost your temper at least once. It's inevitable. But not condonable.
36 posted on 12/30/2005 7:26:15 PM PST by Beaker
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oh I know that you don't condone her behavior. My statment was more for discussion than a direct (or even sideways) attmept to contradict you. After all, you know where I hang out! :-D


37 posted on 12/30/2005 7:28:45 PM PST by Beaker
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To: Beaker

"After all, you know where I hang out! :-D"

And we're a comin' after you, sister! ;)


38 posted on 12/30/2005 7:30:08 PM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: tuffydoodle

I don't have either kind of twitch either. Seen them used long ago, and to tell you the truth, I never saw them really work. I'm not strong enough or committed enough to them to really enforce it. Phooey. I quit showing, I don't have to trim inside ears, and if it's a medical procedure they won't stand still for, that's what drugs are for.


39 posted on 12/30/2005 7:33:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Duchess47

Both seem like good rules :~D


40 posted on 12/30/2005 7:35:07 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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