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Angels will sweep in front of the home crowd. :)
Posted on 10/13/2005 2:14:20 PM PDT by toddlintown
CHICAGO - Its most famous team is the one that cheated, the one forever branded the Black Sox. Its most enduring image may be the outfielder doused with beer while standing against the outfield wall, or maybe the two drunken fans running onto the field to attack a coach.
Then, again, it may be the decades of losing. Not the romantic kind tied to some mysterious curse, but the kind that comes with simply playing badly.
As the Chicago White Sox take on the Los Angeles Angels for the right to play in the World Series — something they haven't done since 1959 and haven't won since 1917 — they may be the most maligned or just plain overlooked team in baseball history.
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The Sox are like the Mets: A team of REAL MEN overshadowed by a bunch of metrosexual pretty boys on the other side of town.
Real men dont require "rigging" in order to win a game.
We don't need love - jsut seven more wins this year.
and some homecooking by the umps (rolling yees)
Look - AJ played smart alert ball and put us in position to win (Buerhle didn't hurt any either) when the break was handed our way. The Angels had to pitch a four-out inning - not an enviable task, but it's been done before.
cheating is cheating and the sox's walk away winners for a night but cheaters and liars for a lifetime.
you're bordering on senseless - could you point out the cheating?
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[b]Umpire Signs and Signals [/b]
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[b]Strike [/b]
Always signaled with the right hand, each umpire develops a personalized system for signaling the strike. Some do the traditional clenched fist; some indicate the strike out to the side with an open hand.
[b]Out[/b]
[b]The clenched right fist and a short hammered motion seem to be favored by most umpires.[/b]
WHITESOX ARE CHEATERS AND LIARS[/b]
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hmm, that didnt work....try this again!
Umpire Signs and Signals
http://www.corson.org/John/Hobbies/Baseball/Signs.html#Out!
Strike
Always signaled with the right hand, each umpire develops a personalized system for signaling the strike. Some do the traditional clenched fist; some indicate the strike out to the side with an open hand.
Out
The clenched right fist and a short hammered motion seem to be favored by most umpires.
WHITESOX ARE CHEATERS AND LIARS
pacoima LOL~
Here's how baseball works - the umpire makes decisions about what he sees in the field. Based on those decisions, the game continues. When the ump blew the drop third strike call, AJ had no idea of knowing he was wrong. AJ is NOT Steve Austin, the SIx Million Dollar Man guy I mean, not the wrestler, and had no bionic eye to see if the ball hit the ground or not. All he did know is that no one called him out. At that point he had an obligation to try for first - it was hardly "cheating" - it's how the game is played. No one, not even Christy Mathewson himself who would be asked by umpires (they didn't have four back in those days) if a runner was safe or out if he was in position to see it better than them, not even he would walk back to the dugout without being called out, just because the ball MIGHT have hit the dirt even though he had no idea at that time.
Learn how the game is played or at the very least HTML before invoking either, all right?
Okay - scratch my HTML comment - good save on your part
You guys got lucky last year. It'll be another 90 years until you win another World Series.
even the batter knew he was struck as he proceeded to walk towards his own dugout and then turned around and walked over to first base. had he truly believed in heart of hearts that it was a live ball, why did he stop at first base?
THe walking toward the dugout is legit - he just swung and missed and it took a second to realize he was never called out. I can see that. Stopping at first I can't dismiss right away - for the zillion times I've seen that play I can't recall where the ball was in relation to any Angels by the time he was at first. Too many beers by then for my memory to replay it perfectly. You raised a key question with that.
Try and stay on topic. Thanks in advance.
I saw the interviews, they were lying throught their teeth. Stuttering like cheating idiots.
Either can I, but you would think if he truly believed (which i dont, i think hes lying) that the ball was live, he would have proceeded to round the bases instead of stopping at first and waiting for yet another ump to tell him.
Let me guess. YOU would have given the run back RIGHT?
Get over it.
The Angels got screwed. The White Sox got lucky. It happened and its over.
It isn't as if the RedSox have never gotten a call to go their way or anything.
yep.
1918, 2004, 2090....
yep it's a dynasty!!!
Oh, stop this silliness about Wrigley Field, Cubs' fans, cell phones, blah, blah, blah. You sound like a Democrat focusing on hating others rather than focusing on what you stand for.
What is yor kick with redsox? this is a whitesox/angles thread.
i get i get it...you think because my screen name is beansox, that insulting the redsox is somehow insulting me. ROFLMAO~
Blame the umps, if you must, but don't fault the players for making the best of the situation.
I do fault players when they are a asked direct question and lie to save their ass. Not a single whitesox player manager etc were honest about it. Not one.
Again I ask, If the batter truly believed it was a live ball, why did he stop at first base?
just because it's funny to me that a guy who gets on baseball threads with a name like "beansox" claims NOT to be a Red Sox fan.
It would be even funnier if you came on here with a name like chowderheadpatsfan and then say you aren't from Boston or something....
Who cheated? I saw the umps make a (bad) call, but are you implying the umpires are dishonest or just fallible?
I never claimed to be a redsox fan or that i came from boston. I live in los angeles, im an angel fan first or foremost, then the sox. I chose beansox, because angel names are dime a dozen online and i wanted something more original.
p.s. im not a guy.
At least the White Sox play in the city they are named after.
the umps are dishonest.
let me ask you this. you got a left handed hitter, and its the 3 base umps job to watch...well what the hell was he watching becuase he sure wasnt watching the plate.
fine whatever...
The WhiteSox didn't cheat.
They took what was given to them by a horrible call by the umps.
You better believe NO ONE on the Angels are saying the White Sox cheated because THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING in the same situation. Don't act like they wouldn't have because they would.
you nothing about angel baseball hystory or heritage do you?
"Oh, stop this silliness about Wrigley Field, Cubs' fans, cell phones, blah, blah, blah. You sound like a Democrat focusing on hating others rather than focusing on what you stand for.
And that would be what?
Still walking that stupid goat around Wrigleyville?
both. to turn a blind eye to dishonest umps because the call favers you, is cheating.
so if a bank robber steals 25 grand and gives you half, you arnt prosecutable? yeah right. you better turn it in or you are just as guilty.
Take your bat and ball and go home.
I think you need to gain a little perspective here.
We aren't talking about robbing a bank.
We are talking about baseball. A game in which phantom tags, neighborhood plays and stuff like this are the norm.
NOT ONE of the White Sox players are culpable for this. The UMPIRES are. The Angels catcher is an accessory because he didn't tag the runner when he could have.
The rest of this is just whiny BS.
WE ARE NOT L.A. We are the Anaheim Angels (contrary to what the wallet-minded new owner thinks) and we ALWAYS WILL BE. What is it now - the Los Angeles Disneyland of Anaheim? The Los Angeles Knott's Berry Farm of Buena Park? That the owner has shoved this name change down the throats of the public, not to mention the FANS, not to mention the City of Anaheim, is such BS. With pressure, I hope the owner will put it back the way is SUPPOSED to be. The ANAHEIM ANGELS forever !
Fine example for the millions of kids that follow baseball. Essentially you are telling them its ok to cheat as long as you cover your ass. I lie repeated over and over in the end becomes the truth. Sad Day for Baseball.
Angels will sweep in front of the home crowd. :)
yes, i would expect people to be honest.
Mikein Iraq. She admit's she a woman.
BTW, I almost missed that play. I was kissing my new girl friend between the strikes, and she was kissing me between the balls.
yeah. There is no question in my mind which is the better team here.
The fact that the Angels played 4 games in 3 different cities in 3 different time zones after 3 cross country flights and went 2-1 in those games speaks to that.
Give them a chance to get some rest and Games 3 and 4 should go to the Angels.
This cheating crap is absolutely stupid.
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