Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Round Two of the Alcohol Debate Begins in Littlefield
KCBD NewsChannel 11 ^ | 1 July 2005 | Staff

Posted on 07/01/2005 1:36:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps

Round two of a familiar debate is brewing in Littlefield over alcohol sales. Citizens will battle it out at a November 8th election. The controversy is whether or not to allow packaged liquor sales in the city. Littielfield residents are no stranger to this issue, you'll recall a similar election failed by only 27 votes last September. Now that another election is set opinions from both sides are circulating. Proponents say it comes down to driving and money.

You may only see poker chips and decks of cards at Chad Wright's poker hall, but look closer and you could see something else. "This hopefully will be the liquor store," said Wright who leads the effort which he hopes will soon allow packaged liquor sales in the city of Littlefield, meaning his poker hall could become a liquor store. Write said, "I'm tired of driving everywhere, tired of seeing the tax dollars of Littlefield leave town."

In a recent letter to the local paper, Wright states up to 750 people leave town to buy liquor, which he says amounts to an average yearly basis of $1.3 to $2.9 million leaving town.

However, opponents say in a Christian community, alcohol is a moral issue. One opponene said, "It causes trouble. Young people, old people, it just causes trouble."

Right now, Littlefield residents have to take the 20 mile drive to Levelland if they want to buy alcohol. On the way back, who's to say they won't crack open a six pack. Littlefield resident, Rudy Torrez knows many people like that. "Coming back they'll drink one, two three, by the time they get into town."

Wright says, "They say it's too tempting not to grab a couple and drink on the way back." Wright goes onto say, "They say the sales tax revenue for Littlefield was down 10% from last year, so we're offering to give themsales tax without having to spend a dime."

Once again voters have the final say.

Voter turnout for the last alcohol election totaled 1,983out of 4,254 registered voters. The last mayoral election had a turnout of 634.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News
KEYWORDS: alcohol; booze; drycities; locallaws; smalltowns; westtexas
This remains a heated topic in many parts of West Texas. The city in which I live is dry (no package stores in the city limits, but you can buy liquor by the drink in restaurants and bars); however, the county is wet. Many neighbouring communities are dry. Recenlty, another nearby community, Slaton, voted to allow grocery and convenience stores to sell alcohol. Since I am not a big drinker (I imbibe in great moderation), I am a bit indifferent on the issue. Also, I have lived in cities where alcohol was available in grocery and convenience stores.
1 posted on 07/01/2005 1:37:00 PM PDT by Army Air Corps
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps; hispanarepublicana

So, what are your thoughts on this? When I first moved to Lubbock, I was taken aback by the "dry" nature of the town. If San Antonio went dry, there would be riots in the streets...


2 posted on 07/01/2005 1:39:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I was in Uvalde, TX a couple of weeks ago. I had to join a club to get a beer with my steak. Silliness. Before I began traveling for work, I didn't realize there were still dry counties in this country, in this century. Talk about Nanny-Statism.


3 posted on 07/01/2005 2:10:49 PM PDT by SoDak (deserve's got nothing to do with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SoDak

Uvalde! I have a lot of relatives in Uvalde. You have Freepmail.


4 posted on 07/01/2005 2:11:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SoDak

I am from San Antonio where even the Baptists have keggers. :-)

Around here, the folsk who operate the liquor stores hust outside the city limits have been opposed to making Lubbock a "wet" city. Already, some liquor stores near Slaton are a little worried about the possible competition that chain grocery stores might pose.


5 posted on 07/01/2005 2:16:14 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SoDak
Talk about Nanny-Statism

No, not "nanny-statism", democracy. All of these counties (and/or cities) are "dry" by choice. Popular choice. I live in a "dry" county, and I like it just fine. I highly doubt the good people of this county will be voting "wet" anytime soon.
6 posted on 07/01/2005 2:32:58 PM PDT by Texas2step (<><)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I think that they're squeezing all they can out of me on taxes, and it's irresponsible of them not to allow those potential tax revenues into the city limits to use for city services. I've got mixed feelings on liquor in the city limits but I'm all for beer & wine in the city limits. You know why you always go fishing with 2 baptists? Because if you take just 1, he'll drink all the beer.


7 posted on 07/01/2005 2:54:11 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
I went to Hardin Simmons, and it was a long drive to get a drink back then. I must admit we did make a profit on most of the runs.

Suprise you there was a good market on a Baptist campus?

8 posted on 07/01/2005 2:59:27 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

Not surprised at all. ;-)


9 posted on 07/01/2005 3:01:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

I like that one. When I lived in SA, a catholic friend of mine told this joke:

Q: What is the difference between a Baptist and a Catholic?
A: Catholics greet one another in the liquor store.


10 posted on 07/01/2005 3:03:12 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
I have a ranch in Langtry, and haul my drinks with me. A man could die of thirst driving for a drink out there.

I'm old enough to remember the Army Air Corp, were you born here, or is that how you got to Texas?

When I was young, discounting Moonshine, when one left the Gulf Coast it was dry country. I think my dad had the first ice chest ever made.

11 posted on 07/01/2005 3:06:31 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

Texan, born and raised. Some of my ancestors came here during the Spanish Land Grants.

The Freeper name is a tribute to many of my relatives who served in the USAAC (later, USAAF). A few others served in the Navy and Marine Corps.


12 posted on 07/01/2005 3:09:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

I have been to Langtry many times. It IS in the middle of nowhere. Even the space aliens think that it is too remote. :-)


13 posted on 07/01/2005 3:10:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
Well your family and mine must have been neighbors. I'm from right in the middle of Austin't colony

On the Littlefield thing, my roommate, in college, was from there. It was truly dry there. If things have not changed, they will have problems passing a wet vote. I mean those people are serious about demon rum.

14 posted on 07/01/2005 3:14:17 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

Another nearby town (New Deal) had also tried to vote on the issue. They voted narrowly for dry status. There isn't a whole heck of a lot in New Deal; I think that it is smaller than Junction. Heck, it may be the size of Balmorhea.

Littlefield is home of the Caprock Soaring Society; they have some records for distance, altitude, and endurance gliding.

Also, some of my ancestors are German and came here between 1840 and 1845. These are the latecomers in my ancestry.


15 posted on 07/01/2005 3:18:10 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
Kinda reminds me of when I was young. The term "Down the road a spell" could mean anywhere from one to fifty miles.

Distance was given in minutes, and the highway was thirty miles away.

16 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:15 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

Our current city leadership is about to squish us on taxes. It is no wonder why some folks live in Abernathy, Slaton, and Shallowater and commute to work in Lubbock.


17 posted on 07/01/2005 3:19:44 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

I lived in Balmorhea for a year and that was remote. It could be worse, I could have lived in Study Butte!

I think that I have a photo of me standing on the porch of Judge Roy Bean's dispensary of justice (taken when I was a wee lad).


18 posted on 07/01/2005 3:22:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

"I went to Hardin Simmons, and it was a long drive to get a drink back then."

My parents attended Texas A&I (now, Texas A&M, Kingsville). At that time, Kingsville was dry and folks had to drive about forty miles to procure "adult beverages."


19 posted on 07/01/2005 3:25:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
Balmorhea, that brings back memories, I worked on a ranch at Ft. Davis ever summer when I was young. Balmorhea was the best swimming hole around.

Young people would laugh, when I wanted to call home, I would go to the phone office, and the operator would call the next town, and that one would call the next, and the next until it finally got across Texas to the Gulf Coast.

Five minute call home could take an hour.

20 posted on 07/01/2005 3:25:08 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

Balmorhea hasn't changed much. The State Park (the swimming hole) has been upgraded and is danged near fancy compared to the way it was when I lived there.

The nice thing about living in small towns is that kids get to be kids. In Balmorhea and Junction, I was able to drive around town before I was old enough to have a license. Good times.


21 posted on 07/01/2005 3:29:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

Your cool to me, hope I did not run you off, Join back in I hush for a while.


22 posted on 07/01/2005 3:30:18 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

I would refuse to live in "New Deal" just out of opposition to the name and its Franklin Roosevelt connotations.


23 posted on 07/01/2005 3:32:48 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Texas2step

This is true, I guess. If that's the local preference, it should be that way. It just runs so counter to what I'm used to, it feels like I slipped into a different country. I like Texas a lot, and could live there if I were exiled, but I'd never choose to live in a dry county, personally.


24 posted on 07/01/2005 3:36:59 PM PDT by SoDak (deserve's got nothing to do with it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana
LOL!

I remember reading some local history which stated that the town had a different name but was renamed during the Red Deal (my pet name for the New Deal). I don't blame you for not wanting to live there. On the other hand, I have seen prairie dog towns that are bigger than New Deal.
25 posted on 07/01/2005 3:37:18 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957; Army Air Corps

You didn't run me off, JH. Mr. HR just got home and says their is a 1/2 mile long line of cars out to "the strip". That's the only real Austin-type traffic jam you'll ever see here.
As for "demon rum", I recall that some neighbors that moved in when I was growing up were seen all of a sudden ripping out the grape vines (table grapes) that were growing in their back yard. When we asked why they were being ripped out, the neighbors said it was because grapes were a sinful fruit since wine was made from them. I think they were Pentecostal or Assembly of God or something like that. Even our Baptist and Church of Christ neighbors grew grapes.


26 posted on 07/01/2005 3:37:59 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: SoDak

You may have run into some relatives of mine when you were in Uvalde.


27 posted on 07/01/2005 3:40:14 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

"When we asked why they were being ripped out, the neighbors said it was because grapes were a sinful fruit since wine was made from them."

Lemme guess, these folks think that Christ turned the water into Welch's grape juice.


28 posted on 07/01/2005 3:41:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana; Army Air Corps
What are your thoughts on SCOTUS ruling on Eminent Domain?

It goes in the face of my Texas upbringing!!!!

I have been posting like mad on it, trying to get everyone freeping on HJR19. If you want to peak at it search my handle.

29 posted on 07/01/2005 3:41:10 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

I haven't paid as much attention to that issue, but I don't see how the ruling can be defended.


30 posted on 07/01/2005 3:51:29 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana
HJR 19 will take care of it in Texas, if we can get it on the November ballot

Sorry I took so long, I was dragging water hoses. The only thing wet here is Lake Travis.

31 posted on 07/01/2005 3:55:08 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

I think that it sucks on ice.

It is about as unAmerican as you can get.


32 posted on 07/01/2005 3:57:53 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
My feelings exactly, I have really been trying to get people to call the Gov, and get him to let it in the special session. If it makes it we will get a vote to stop it in November.

Lucy, where is the strip, I fight the Austin traffic all the time.

33 posted on 07/01/2005 4:02:36 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
So, what are your thoughts on this? When I first moved to Lubbock, I was taken aback by the "dry" nature of the town. If San Antonio went dry, there would be riots in the streets...

You people should try living in PA. The only place you can buy beer is a bar or a distributor. As I no longer drink, it's no longer a problem, but in the past......

Here it is not a question of temperance but of entrenched politicians and unions.

34 posted on 07/01/2005 4:09:47 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

I'm not really Lucy....that's my story and sticking to it.....The strip is about a stretch of 8 or so liquor/beer package stores right outside the city where you have to go if you wish to buy packaged adult beverages.


35 posted on 07/01/2005 4:09:53 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Jarhead1957

PS: I've heard buzz that nothing will come of this special session. If the Gov. can get that resolution passed during the spec session, then at least something will come out of it.


36 posted on 07/01/2005 4:11:01 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana
Sounds like Abilene Texas

I ended up in the only blue county in central Texas, but that will change.

37 posted on 07/01/2005 4:20:39 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana
Right now he is the one holding it back, his quote is school financing before anything else.

Being a good Texas, I know that could take at least three or four more special sessions. By then it will be too late to get it on the November ballot.

38 posted on 07/01/2005 4:24:06 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: All
Got to sign off, and go to a political action meeting.

We retired people just don't know when to quit

Thanks to all, enjoyed!!!!!!!

39 posted on 07/01/2005 4:27:38 PM PDT by Jarhead1957 (Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Hacksaw

"...entrenched politicians and unions."

In other words, power hungry tyrants.


40 posted on 07/01/2005 4:34:26 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: All

I return later; time to eat some food from Rosa's.


41 posted on 07/01/2005 4:35:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps
time to eat some food from Rosa's.

grrrrr...hating you & pray for rain.

42 posted on 07/01/2005 5:13:08 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Texas2step
No, not "nanny-statism", democracy.

And why Aristotle put democracy in as one of the "bad governments"

43 posted on 07/01/2005 5:44:05 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Ain't I a stinker - B Bunny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

"grrrrr...hating you & pray for rain."

LOL.

Actually, you may have your revenge; I am bloody full. gads, I think that I'm gonna pop! I went to the one on 4th and Quaker because it is a stone's throw from mi casa.


44 posted on 07/01/2005 5:47:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

Your revenge will be short-lived. Waiting on Orlando's delivery any sec now.


45 posted on 07/01/2005 5:56:35 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana
I meant that my physical discomfort was your revenge. Whaddya get from ORlando's?
46 posted on 07/01/2005 5:58:23 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

green chile chicken pizza. do they have any other stuff on the menu?


47 posted on 07/01/2005 6:09:38 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: hispanarepublicana

LOL.

Enjoy!


48 posted on 07/01/2005 6:10:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson