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Bacall derides today's actresses
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Posted on 04/05/2005 6:39:00 AM PDT by pissant

Veteran actress Lauren Bacall has once again hit out at her fellow stars, this time branding them of "minuscule talent", and for looking too skinny. She told Radio Times magazine that actresses "only think of stardom" and sacrifice everything for fame.

Bacall said her marriages to actors Humphrey Bogart and Jason Robards effectively stunted her career.

"I put my career in second place throughout both my marriages and it suffered," she said.

She added: "I don't regret it. You make choices. If you want a good marriage, you must pay attention to that.

"If you want to be independent, go ahead. You can't have it all.

"Today, women with minuscule talent are willing to sacrifice everything for their careers."

Actors today go into TV, which I don't consider has a lot to do with acting

Bacall, 80, caused controversy in 2004 when she was quoted as saying her Birth co-star Nicole Kidman was not worthy of the tag "legend".

But she denies it was meant as an insult to her acting abilities.

"I said I didn't understand why she had to be labelled when she has her whole career in front of her," Bacall said.

Bacall said today's crop of stars lacked talent.

"Actors today go into TV, which I don't consider has a lot to do with acting.

"I have a terrible time distinguishing one from another. Girls wear their hair the same, and are much too anorexic-looking."

She added: "We live in an age of mediocrity. Stars today are not the same stature as Bogie (Humphrey Bogart), Jimmy Cagney, Spencer Tracy, Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart."

Bacall saved barbed praise for Hugh Grant, calling him "charming, marvellous. Not a great actor but he doesn't have to be."

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She's right. We could use some more Lauren Bacalls, IMO
1 posted on 04/05/2005 6:39:03 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Best. Actress. Ever. < /doireallyneedtoaddasarcasmtag >

2 posted on 04/05/2005 6:45:31 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Only when she's playing opposite Neve Campbell, right?


3 posted on 04/05/2005 6:46:42 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I've been on a Bogart kick for 2 months now. Key West and The Maltese Falcon over and over. Play them in the shop while repairing cars. Yes, "I like a man who doesn't say when."


4 posted on 04/05/2005 6:52:18 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3
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To: pissant
"We live in an age of mediocrity. Stars today are not the same stature as Bogie (Humphrey Bogart), Jimmy Cagney, Spencer Tracy, Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart."

She's right there. Who today measures up to the actors mentioned? Certainly not Cruise, Pitt, Clooney, or Depp......

5 posted on 04/05/2005 6:59:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: wildcatf4f3

Saw To Have and Have Not recently. Yum!


6 posted on 04/05/2005 7:00:50 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Rummyfan

You could put all those you mentioned together and still not make half the man of Jimmy Stewart!


7 posted on 04/05/2005 7:01:51 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

We are way to quick to call current actors and actresses legends. Legends are people like Alfred Hitchcock, Katherine Hepburn, Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, Charlton Heston, John Wayne.

Our contemporary people have not earned the title of Legend yet.

It is like calling all our contemporary female singers DIVA's
They haven't earned it either.


8 posted on 04/05/2005 7:06:38 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: television is just wrong

I can't even think of any legends in the making, Divas or actors!


9 posted on 04/05/2005 7:09:34 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Rummyfan
Stars today are not the same stature as Bogie (Humphrey Bogart), Jimmy Cagney, Spencer Tracy, Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart."

No argument there - but there is still something somewhat unattractive about an aging actress dishing out the dirt on her fellow actresses a la Davis, Crawford etc. It just doesn't play well IMHO.

10 posted on 04/05/2005 7:10:13 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Rummyfan
Who today measures up to the actors mentioned?

No one in their thirties, at least. Buncha met-ro-seck-shuls, if ya ask me. ;)

11 posted on 04/05/2005 7:12:03 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: wildcatf4f3

One could do a whole lot worse than working on cars and playing Bogart movies - love the Sydney Greenstreet quote.

One of my other favorites is in Casablanca after Rick sells the cafe to Ferrari. Rick says just remember you owe Rick's 200 cartons of cigarettes. Greenstreet sits back, smacks his lips and says "I shall remember to pay them.....to myself".

It just doesn't get any better than that.


12 posted on 04/05/2005 7:13:48 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The only one I can think of who is even close is Tom Hanks.


13 posted on 04/05/2005 7:16:38 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1
Yeah, but he's fifty-ish. Mel Gibson, Clint Eastwood, Harrison Ford...there are a few good ones, but they are all past their prime.

Maybe when Clive Owen becomes James Bond he'll emerge as a legitimate male lead.

14 posted on 04/05/2005 7:27:07 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: pissant

Nor can I.


15 posted on 04/05/2005 7:33:48 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: pissant
She added: "I don't regret it. You make choices. If you want a good marriage, you must pay attention to that.

With the divorce rate making marriage almost a joke these days (and threatening the institution of marriage more than gays could ever hope to do), it's refreshing to hear a public figure say that.
16 posted on 04/05/2005 7:37:02 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Rummyfan

These days, ediocrity doesn't just encompass acting, it carries over into music, software, automobile design and building, construction, and well, just about every facet of society. Sad, but true.


17 posted on 04/05/2005 7:39:23 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

indeed


18 posted on 04/05/2005 7:41:59 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

.....She's right. We could use some more Lauren Bacalls.....

If you went to the store to by an actor or an actress, when you got home and opened the bag you would find nothing.

The Holllywood types are all figments of the public relations mills.


19 posted on 04/05/2005 7:42:54 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: wildcatf4f3

I think you mean Key Largo. I just recently saw it for the first time. A really good movie. One of those that seems to lock into your brain and sticks with you. I saw it on one of the cable channels but now want to get it on DVD.


20 posted on 04/05/2005 7:43:02 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: bert
Don't make them like they used to! And I'm only 41 yo!
21 posted on 04/05/2005 7:46:35 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
"Actors today go into TV, which I don't consider has a lot to do with acting.

Acting is acting. They're playing a part. Maybe what she should have said was that she doesn't consider TV 'good' acting.

But who really cares? They're all actors. All they do is pretend to be somebody else.

I do not understand this perverse fascination with Hollywood.

22 posted on 04/05/2005 7:51:10 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: cowboyway

look at the pic in the post above. That's the reason for my "fascination"!


23 posted on 04/05/2005 7:55:50 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
look at the pic in the post above. That's the reason for my "fascination"!

That would be closer to 'fantasizing'. A copy of Playboy would work just as well for that.

My question is about the general publics fascination with anything celebrity, which is mostly Hollywood.

I mean, there's hundreds of fans cheering for Jacko when he arrives to court to stand trial for child molestation, for Christ sakes.

I consider that a 'perverse fascination'.

24 posted on 04/05/2005 8:20:28 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: cowboyway

Watch To Have and Have Not. You'll then understand....


25 posted on 04/05/2005 8:21:24 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Watch To Have and Have Not. You'll then understand....

I doubt that watching a movie will answer my question.

26 posted on 04/05/2005 8:31:33 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: bert
I'll prolly need a to don my flameproof suit here, but I think there are as many good actors today as there was in the Golden Age of Hollywood but the system is different. Since the rise of 'method acting", and the change in the political climate generally, it is no longer fashionable to be a "movie star" in the old sense. Now everyone wants to an an "artist", and you see a lot of big name actors showing up on the late night talk shows dressed down in jeans and t-shirt. You'd never see that in the old days. Plus films are less likable generally today so you have more movies like Saw and Pulp Fiction and less like Father Goose or It Happened One Night.

As much as I love the guy John Wayne was not a great actor, at least most of the time. Usually he played his stock character, as did others like Gary Cooper and Cary Grant. They were just fantastic at doing it, with an ease and naturalism that radiated from the screen. Ditto forJames Garner and Steve McQueen from a transitional time. Today Jack Nicholson, Bruce Willis, Robert De Niro do the mostly the same.

Today I would say Johhny Depp (though he has specialized in one type of character), Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks, Nicole Kidman, as well as those listed above, are good actors and actresses. They just are not as warm and appealing as the greats from yesteryear, and I think that has a lot to do with how they comport themselves off screen.
27 posted on 04/05/2005 8:50:23 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: pissant

I just saw the movie aviator. The two female leads were not Americans. It struck me that no American actresses exist who can play roles of any meat or maturity.


28 posted on 04/05/2005 8:55:43 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Yeah, Eastwood, Paul Newman. I would put Bruce Willis and Michael Douglas in that category too. And Sean Connery of course. I would take Kirk Douglas, Richard Widmark, Robert Mitchum, Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, Gary Cooper Sean Connery, Charlton Heston, etc. over any of the young guys we have today.

Actually, I think Lauren Bacall's whole point is that you have to reach the age of those guys to even begin to be considered a legend.

29 posted on 04/05/2005 9:21:51 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Did you see Jack Nicholson in "Anger Management"? Definitely not his usual role, but terribly funny. He was great.


30 posted on 04/05/2005 9:24:04 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I would say that Russell Crowe could eventually be a legend, if he doesn't shoot himself in the foot first.


31 posted on 04/05/2005 9:25:16 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1
Yes, I did and I'd say it was a variation his usual. Since The Terror in 1963 he has always played offbeat, wisecracking, somewhat unlikable roles. he's fantastic at it though.

Consider how varied Dustin Hoffman's roles have been (and I don't really care for him). Captain Hook, army officers, gangsters, an idiot savant. A very versatile actor, as opposed to great performers, like some of the others.

By the way, I would say Reese Witherspoon compares favorably with someone like Barbara Eden.
32 posted on 04/05/2005 9:46:53 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Reese is a cutie. Saw Legally Blonde (about 40 mins of it anyway) on the tube the other night. She was funny!


33 posted on 04/05/2005 9:52:06 AM PDT by pissant
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To: FreedomSurge

"It struck me that no American actresses exist who can play roles of any meat or maturity."


This is also a problem with American (male) actors. A recent New York Times article discussed the lack of he-men types, many of whom have to be imported from Australia (eg: Russell Crowe). It has a lot to do with the decline of generations and perhaps the feminization of the culture. Even the closeted gay actors of yesteryear were more virile. Most of the American guys on the screen seem like little more than pretty boys.


34 posted on 04/05/2005 7:20:12 PM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: MoochPooch

I blame it on no real life experiences.


35 posted on 04/05/2005 8:26:24 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: rwrcpa1

After a Turner Classic Movie starring Walter Pidgeon a few days ago, the commentator said that the "leading man" who attracted the fan mail in those days was in his late 30's, 40's and up. He pointed out that a teenage or twenty-something actor like the big male stars of today would usually play only a supporting role in classic-era films. It made me feel sorry for the young actors who are praised today - which of them will be has-beens by 30? --and sorry for moviegoers who don't get to see much actual good acting in current films or TV!


36 posted on 04/05/2005 8:48:33 PM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: martin_fierro
Bacall derides today's actresses

Me: "I'd like to ride today's actresses (well, this one!).

My lord, that is a good shot.

37 posted on 04/06/2005 1:11:33 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: pissant; martin_fierro

"Just put your lips together ........... and blow"


38 posted on 04/06/2005 1:14:29 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Advanced Directive -- don't step on my blue suede shoes.)
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To: cowboyway
They're all actors. All they do is pretend to be somebody else.

Kiefer Sutherland got interested in rodeoing while filming Cowboy Way. He made friends with a cowboy that taught him to rope. They placed 7th or 9th in world steer roping competition. He had a ranch in Calif but lost his feed crop to rain. He sold his ranch and headed back to Hollywood but he kept his quarter horse. He goes to rodeos as he still has friends there. Not all actors are empty ego driven snobs. Most but not all.

39 posted on 04/06/2005 1:31:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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To: MoochPooch
Even the closeted gay actors of yesteryear were more virile.

True. Rock Hudson and Monty Clift were considerably more macho than Cruise and Pitt.

40 posted on 04/06/2005 1:34:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: martin_fierro
Hey she's single now that she dumped scumbag Charlie Sheen.

I would, literally, be balled and chained to Denise Richards and would be forced to watch the famous threesome scene in Wild Things in a dungy basement.

41 posted on 04/06/2005 1:37:27 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
He goes to rodeos as he still has friends there. Not all actors are empty ego driven snobs. Most but not all

That's just great. Glad to hear that some of those Hollywood pukes can be 'regular' guys.

But once again, that's not my point. I don't understand the fanatical idol worship that some of the general public displays towards celebrities.

42 posted on 04/06/2005 2:03:33 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: cowboyway
I don't understand the fanatical idol worship that some of the general public displays towards celebrities.

I have no idea. They certainly aren't the "ideal". I think their morals, in most cases, are a turn off. After that, their attitudes. Maybe it's fueled by the gossip shows in part. I wouldn't trade places with any of them but there are a few I'd like to smack!

Glad to hear that some of those Hollywood pukes can be 'regular' guys.

I wish more were like Sutherland. No entourage. Just behaves like everyone else.

43 posted on 04/06/2005 2:11:02 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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To: DJ MacWoW
They certainly aren't the "ideal". I think their morals, in most cases, are a turn off. After that, their attitudes

That's what I'm getting at.

44 posted on 04/06/2005 2:23:13 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
Yeah, Denise Richards is a hottie. I don't know what the hell she saw in Sheen.

I can't imagine any man paying $2,000 an hour for sleazy hookers when they got a beautiful woman sitting right at home.

45 posted on 04/06/2005 2:31:08 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: cowboyway
I don't understand the fanatical idol worship that some of the general public displays towards celebrities.

I don't understand it either, but I guess that's just some people's nature.

If you were making $20 million a picture and got people waiting on you hand and feet, wouldn't you act a little conceited?

46 posted on 04/06/2005 2:33:42 PM PDT by ServesURight
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To: television is just wrong
We are way to quick to call current actors and actresses legends.

Eastwood is getting there. IMHO.

47 posted on 04/06/2005 11:45:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: Clemenza

Montgomery Clift was gay?


48 posted on 04/06/2005 11:48:41 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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A note: Montgomery Clift's nickname in Hollywood was "Princess Tiny Meat."

A fine actor, its a shame he never recovered mentally or physically from his car accident.

49 posted on 04/06/2005 11:54:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza

He was electric--brilliant--in "Judgment at Nuremberg."


50 posted on 04/06/2005 11:56:20 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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