Posted on 02/07/2024 3:54:01 PM PST by Timber Rattler
Tell me what part you disagree with.
The torture: enhanced interrogation and using second parties to do the dirty work for us as in Jordan, Poland and Romania years ago...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques
The kidnapping: extra ordinary rendition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
The assassination.
Invading other nations.
Attacking nations.
Giving false pretences for the wars we start.
Expanding NATO East.
Violating Minsk.
Withdrawing from the ballistic missile treaty.
Violating Montreux.
Want some more facts? No county in the last 20 years has invaded and attacked more nations than us. No nation has more military personnel abroad, spends more on war, has killed more people (including Ukraine which we caused), is based in more countries than us.
If you want to know how the rest of the world REALLY sees us, go ask a Mexican, people we treat like crap, whom we annexed land from, that we threaten military action against because of political maneuvering which has no real national security nexus other than “sounding tough” on the political stage: https://youtu.be/UD4kFxyHALo?si=J12G4VyhBwrAqstB This is how we treat a nation that has many folks living in the US, many Americans living there, a NAFTA member and neighbor which poses ZERO national security threat.
We have have become a pariah, someone with a huge economic, political and military advantage and knows it can act with near impunity. Hypocritical, bullish, unreliable, we are quick to FORCE our will on others using the military. We have become the “@sshole.”
The era where we represent freedom and democracy, are defensive and have a moral high ground as we use military force is long over. This isn’t 1984.
Please tell me a point you disagree with so I can reference it for you.
Hot Air is more of a conservative site, though they used to have "Allahpundit" who was very anti-Trump.
There you go with onward christian soldier, knight in shining armor BS.
We caused this damn war in Ukraine.
We did.
We invaded Iraq.
We lied about WMD.
We invaded Syria.
We tried to topple the government in Venezuela and got caught.
We attacked Libya.
We armed Ukraine in violation of Minsk, helped pay for one of the worlds largest mercenary armies, looked the other way when the nationalists abused the crap out of the ethnic Russians there, and then offered Ukraine NATO membership: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
The Russians didn’t even have a large military force along the border with Ukraine and the build up didn’t start until AFTER October 2021 when we made that jerkwad move and wouldn’t back down: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ That was our call, and it caused this war.
If YOU or I were in Russia’s shoes and in charge, we would do the same thing Russia did.
Yup, lots of Ukrainian graves we caused.
That’s really helping them.
We also helped their economy.
Internal stability.
Infrastructure.
Birth rate and folks fleeing that place.
To bad none of this had to be.
Ah, so standing against invasion, tyranny, and mass slaughter is now a bad thing, eh?
We caused this damn war in Ukraine.
That's a lie. Nobody forced Putin to attack and attempt to swallow up Ukraine.
The rest of your rant is just, pure unadulterated "what-about" nonsense.
It must be tough tying yourself up in knots to justify totalitarian Muscovite aggression against the West. Hitler would have loved you.
Real simple questions for you:
1. Who in the last 20 years has attacked more nations than us?
2. Who spends more on war than us?
3. Who has invaded more countries than us?
4. Who has more troops abroad than us?
5. Who has troops in more countries than us?
6. Is Saudi Arabia who we prop up and defend a shining beacon of human rights and democracy?
7. Is China, who has most favored trade status, whom we helped into the WTO, which is our biggest trade partner a shining beacon of human rights and democracy?
But I get it. If we start a war, it’s always a just war, usually we throw Democracy, human rights, soveriegnty or some made up/junk threat like WMD out here as a reason. WAR = We Are Right. We define morality, we define who the international community is (even if that’s the minority of the worlds nations and population), we get to be hypocrites (we don’t want a foreign power on our border), and our lies (NATO East expansion), cheating (Minsk and Monteux), going back on actual signed agreementgs (Ballistic missile treaty) is always for the right reasons. If we do it, it’s always right.
The roles have revesed. It’s us today that blow up pipelines, have mercenary armies we pay for all arpund the planet, topple governments, attack and invade nations at the snap of a finger if it benefits us economically and/or politically. We are willing to attack a neighbor that doesn’t even have a sinlge bomber, no real tank, no balistic missiles, no WMD, no heavy artillery in any great numbers... Mexico. Simply because it sounds good in political theatrics! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD4kFxyHALo
Maybe that is just the natural course of things when you are the last remaining and unopposed super power that can act with impunity. To the Romans everyone else was a barabian and they too saw themselves as right, even though they were an empire and acted as such. When in absolute power, you start to actually believe your own BS.
But times are begining to change. When you push folks around long enough, they start to band together against you. Even if you believe you’re the good guy in all of this.
Again, where a single fact you can point at.
When people have no argument they resort to fallacies.
Here’s another way to put it.
“What about” an argument based on anything substantive (material things, timelines, etc) other than baseless statements, feelings, memes, and personal attacks?
Do you realize, as we ran out of bodies to fight our war for us in Syria, we eventually began training and equipping radical islamist types? Yes, the type that cuts off heads.
I don’t think I need to explain to you who Azov in Ukraine was/is. We armed and trained them too.
What about US troops guarding poppy fields for our allies in Afghanistan? That’s a weird sight, isn’t it?
https://i0.wp.com/kitoconnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/US-Army-Poppy-Fields-DVIDSHUB-Pfc.-Justin-Young-PD-Flickr.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1 The “good guys” in Afghanistan make the opium and it’s the Taliban that actually destroyed the crops. So “secretly” even though everyone knows, you have the CIA and us military support the opium trade.
The era of us being the good guys is over. We neither export democracy nor human rights today. We’re willing to cuddle up with the most nasty A-holes out there when it serves our interests. All that matters is: $$$
We make deals with the same Vietnamese today that we faught. The stuff is sold in the military post exchange! Absolute irony!!!
Look, I get it, in your mind we fire democracy missiles and drop freedom bombs. We engage in human rights kidnappings and torture. Our censorship is for greater transparency... But no. The difference between us and Russia today is more polemic than real.
You have two nations that rule the worlds energy supply and one is a “has been” world power. The other one (us) is gobbling them up (Iraq, Syria, Venezuela, Libya, Niger are all Russia aligned or allies and were meddling there).
Folks like you try to pretend that as we invade their space, we are defensive. You pretend that they are some threat with 55% our ground forces, 47% our air force 43% our navy, 40% the men reaching military age annual, 44% our population, an economy about 1/5 (PPP) 1/10 (GDP), less high tech, less industry, less allies, less powerful allies is a huge threat. You have to use polemics, cliche, a Cold War boogieman that no longer exists to rationalize wars we are starting.
Both of these nations (us too) are pseudo democracies ruled in reality by a handful of oligarchs who control the political system and media. We are simply bigger than they and are, declaring what is theirs as ours, all for democracy, peace, human rights, and sovereignty’s sake of course.
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