Posted on 12/18/2023 9:52:05 AM PST by marcusmaximus
Kripal is a very smart and interesting guy.
A bit off topic—but he has written a long and detailed history of Esalan—entertaining and informative look at the New Age folks:
https://www.amazon.com/Esalen-America-Religion-No/dp/0226453707/
“The US Congress does not like the fact that many of these “Black programs” have been kept from them”
Let me add one little detail.
The U.S. Senate has been told by whistleblowers that treaties have been made over the years without their constitutionally required consent.
That makes it personal—and the treaties treason.
I'll check out Kripal's book.
Yes, US Senators have big egos. They do not like to hear the word NO. You do not get to be read in on this. You DO NO NEED TO KNOW. Even when the constitution says differently.
What bothers me is that while Congressional whistleblower protection and indemnification might relieve whistleblowers from threats of "legal" prosecution, it is not a defense against anonymous "black" organizations and operators who would threaten whistleblowers and/or their families with death or harm.
Grusch has implied that there are some very dangerous people out there who are more than willing to kill anyone who talks.
Scary stuff.
Terence McKenna’s Esalan lectures were works of art both as oratory and also as opening our eyes to new ways to think about all sorts of things.
I always wished I had a professor of his intellect and wisdom.
I was stuck with the boring well credentialed establishment types who wouldn’t know an original idea if it ran over them.
Esalan’s “fruits and nuts” were there for sure—the attendees were always challenged to use discernment—but to listen carefully to everyone.
It was kind of like a science lab—maybe 99% of the experiments are failures but there were a few stunning and even revolutionary successes.
I have watched a good many Sean Ryan podcasts. As you say, he does an excellent job.
Same here (with a couple of exceptions). Very disappointing in retrospect.
It seems that, lately, a lot of things that look crazy in the past are beginning to take on a new light (e.g., the spiritual aspect of the UAP/UFO issue and remote viewing).
Yes, the former USMC serviceman that testified as a whistleblower stated that his house was overflown by black helicopters many times. Helicopters with no tail markings hovering over his house.
Also, that he was threatened with bodily harm on multiple occasions for not only him but his family too.
The question is what is stealth technology worth to Lockeed Martin or some other defense contractor? Billions of dollars in US government contracts. Enough to kill to protect. I would say yes.
For me the UFO issue is about epistemology—how we know what we know.
Most folks just take for granted that their method of epistemology is valid.
Imho it is not—not even close.
Once you start there things start to get interesting.
Similar to some of the things Alex Jones said years ago and are now proven factual. Things he stated and was maligned as a kook. A far right extremist. It turns out ALEX JONES WAS RIGHT.
Just one example of epistemology in this field.
Take the case of Dan Sherman, USAF and NSA who wrote the book “Above Black”.
Dan never saw an alien.
He was told that he had powers of telepathy that just worked for aliens, not humans.
He was placed at a work station where supposedly he was communicating with aliens.
Epistemology is about the question how Dan could tell whether this was legit or just an elaborate mind game orchestrated by the military.
The short answer—he had no way to tell.
All his paperwork checks out, the locations were all real military and NSA installations, the equipment was legit etc etc etc.
My opinion, fwiw, is that this was an elaborate mind game designed to test and perfect mundane security measures for the NSA.
However what is important here is not my view but rather how I came to that conclusion.
I came to that conclusion because his accounts of alien culture and civilization do not fit well within the framework of all the other testimony of thousands of experiencers.
It is an oddball.
What that says about epistemology is that we use patterns and context to gain knowledge—something outside of those patterns we reject.
It is a pretty good approach.
The bad news is—it is not perfect or guaranteed to work.
I don't know if you saw it, but Jesse Michels hosted a discussion between physicist/mathematician Eric Weinstein and Hal Puthoff not so long ago (The Physics of UFOs: Eric Weinstein + Hal Puthoff). Weinstein seemed befuddled by Puthoff and didn't know what to say. Particularly when the subject of remote viewing came up.
Weinstein couldn't figure out if Puthoff was a carnival barker, brilliant scientist, somewhere in between, or all the above.
At TPUSA last night, Tucker gave a more in-depth explanation of his thoughts on aliens and it seems pretty well in line with my own- it is more demonic and than extraterrestrial in origins. There is enough evil coming out of our government these days that if it made a literal deal with the devil, I wouldn’t be shocked.
“it is more demonic and than extraterrestrial”
To be blunt that is stunningly unhelpful.
That is like saying you discovered chocolate cake is bad for you.
The details are what are interesting.
How does this work exactly?
What technologies are we talking about?
Can any of these technologies be used in positive ways?
(Can we get “healthy” chocolate cake? :-) )
Spoken like a government spook for whom evil is more of an inconvenient concept believed by the unenlightened.
I have posted here for twenty five years—and you can easily search my posting history.
There is no need for libel.
Yep.
Thanks for the reply, will have to heck it out.
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