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What is "Gun Registration"?
My fertile mind | today | Fightin Kentuckian

Posted on 01/02/2020 2:22:54 PM PST by fightin kentuckian

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To: fightin kentuckian
Just for the record:

title 26 USC 5845 firearm (a) Firearm The term “firearm” means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);
(6) a machinegun;
(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and
(8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the
date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.

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(e) Any other weapon The term “any other weapon” means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.

41 posted on 01/03/2020 5:35:02 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. TJ)
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To: eastexsteve

“In other words the government cannot come to your door in 10 years and demand that you produce the firearm listed on the 4473.
At least, not yet. Let’s see what happens in VA. “

I agree. I think VA is emboldened to break a lot federal laws and trash the constitution. Let’s see what happens.


42 posted on 01/03/2020 6:52:31 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: MileHi
If that was the case, my CCW should allow me to skip the form. As was stated, the form precedes NICS. They want your name tied to that ser number.

The form in not the background check, the form is the record that the store sold that particular firearm to you. Your name will be tied to whichever SN you ultimately purchase. And, as someone else mentioned, the only info on firearm sent with the NICS check is type. In TX, I don't have to wait get the check if I have my CHL, I just pay and go. As long as a state's requirements for the chl meet or exceed the nics requirements, then you're exempt from that part of Brady. Unless your state also requires other background check for firearms. But on a federal level, I think half the states pass.
43 posted on 01/06/2020 2:53:30 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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ATF states that 4473 are kept NLT 20 yrs and when the business terminates it license or closes it doors, the bound book of firearm transfers goes to the ATF.

The government eventually has a record of all transfers by FFL licensees.


I'm pretty sure that at the 20-year mark, the FFL can destroy the 4473s. They only send their book in if they close shop or otherwise lose their FFL license before that time.

For practicality, I dunno how many shops actually go through and pull out all the 20+ records, but they are able to.
44 posted on 01/06/2020 3:03:52 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Manly Warrior
ATF states that 4473 are kept NLT 20 yrs and when the business terminates it license or closes it doors, the bound book of firearm transfers goes to the ATF.

The government eventually has a record of all transfers by FFL licensees.


I'm pretty sure that at the 20-year mark, the FFL can destroy the 4473s. They only send their book in if they close shop or otherwise lose their FFL license before that time.

For practicality, I dunno how many shops actually go through and pull out all the 20+ records, but they are able to.
45 posted on 01/06/2020 3:05:02 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: fightin kentuckian

gun registration is the hit list for gun confiscation...


46 posted on 01/06/2020 3:08:21 PM PST by heavy metal (your reward will be in heaven not on your paycheck...)
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To: Svartalfiar
The form in not the background check, the form is the record that the store sold that particular firearm to you. Your name will be tied to whichever SN you ultimately purchase.

I get that, and I don't like it.

47 posted on 01/06/2020 3:17:24 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Svartalfiar

Correct, NLT 20 years is what the AFT policy states. Most shop owners use accordion folders and can find any 4473 in a moments notice when asked by ATF. Sometimes Agents will ask about a specific transfer and expect the owner to provide them both 4473 and bound book entry w/o delay.


48 posted on 01/07/2020 7:40:02 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior
Correct, NLT 20 years is what the AFT policy states. Most shop owners use accordion folders and can find any 4473 in a moments notice when asked by ATF.

Yes. Your comment just made it sound like FFLs send 20-year-old records to the ATF, so I just wanted to clarify they are allowed to be destroyed at that point.
49 posted on 01/09/2020 11:44:51 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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