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The IRS Will Now Ask if You Own Crypto in the Most Widely Used US Tax Form
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Posted on 10/12/2019 8:02:32 PM PDT by ameribbean expat

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To: Raycpa

“What am I missing?”

1. It is still a draft so they are not ‘now’ asking you.

2. 1040 Schedule 1 is NOT the most widely used form.


21 posted on 10/12/2019 8:33:53 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Are you saying it’s tales from the crypto?


22 posted on 10/12/2019 8:40:24 PM PDT by Ken H (2019 => The House of Representin')
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To: TexasGator

Schedule 1 required if any virtual currency transaction therefore all clients need to be asked question

Draft given to software companies means almost done deal as far as irs is concerned. Programmers need to have initial software ready in about 4 weeks. We start preparing our questions for clients in December for mailing early Jan.


23 posted on 10/12/2019 8:42:57 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: ameribbean expat

Sure. Cryptosporidium. I’ll be sure to give you a stool sample.


24 posted on 10/12/2019 8:50:10 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: TexasGator

I take it your answer to those questions would be “Yes”?


25 posted on 10/12/2019 8:55:28 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: aquila48

If the answer is yes and taxpayer either lies or leaves blank the irs will argue that the return is incomplete and that the 3 year statute of limitations will not run. Further, a yes answer for 2019 means likely audits for prior year returns. This opens a real can of worms.


26 posted on 10/12/2019 9:00:45 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa; TexasGator

My hunch is that what you’re missing is that Gator probably owns some cryptos and news like this could send them crashing down. But it’s just a hunch.


27 posted on 10/12/2019 9:01:17 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: Scrambler Bob
"How about my stash of Cipro?"

Yep! IMHO, much rather have my "stash" of Cipro than any Crypto...

28 posted on 10/12/2019 10:08:10 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: Raycpa

Yep. If this change goes through, you may want to short the cryptos. Their biggest selling point is anonymity, but the government can always find out if you own any through the threat and use of force.

I’m sure that if the government discovers that you lied answering that question it can make your life miserable, just like they can if you have an undisclosed offshore bank account.

I always thought that the crypto claim of anonymity was bogus precisely because of this leverage government has over you.


29 posted on 10/12/2019 10:16:28 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: ameribbean expat

IRS says BTC is a commodity...so the answer to “buy/sell/exchange virtual currency” will always be “No”.

In any case practice “safe crypto” by not ever tying your name/ID to any of your private keys, and if you did use an exchange that ID’ed you, use “Wasabi Wallet” to clean up. An in the future use “Bisq” to buy and sell.


30 posted on 10/12/2019 10:29:02 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Scrambler Bob

Might want to send your stash to the President to help rout out the infection of the Deep State..


31 posted on 10/13/2019 3:28:24 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: TexasGator
Two false facts in the first sentence. Delete this garbage.

That's not correct.

Here is the direct link from the IRS itself:

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/virtual-currency-irs-issues-additional-guidance-on-tax-treatment-and-reminds-taxpayers-of-reporting-obligations

Lie about your "crypto" currency, and people face severe consequences:

“At any time during 2019, did you receive, sell, send, exchange, or otherwise acquire any financial interest in any virtual currency?”

See this sentence. This is the IRS way of issuing a warning for non-compliance:

"The IRS is aware that some taxpayers with virtual currency transactions may have failed to report income and pay the resulting tax or did not report their transactions properly. The IRS is actively addressing potential non-compliance in this area through a variety of efforts, ranging from taxpayer education to audits to criminal investigations."

32 posted on 10/13/2019 4:12:34 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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Be careful with crypto. New superconductor makes a Quantum Computer processors with no modifications. We had already reached Quantum Supremacy before that. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_supremacy ) Won’t be long and all crypto will be crackable and worthless. Crypto is scrambling with schemes to protect crackability but I don’t have confidence in any of the schemes.

Re: Cipro, I am allergic to it. That whole family. It is why my stash consists of tyvek suits, n95 respirators, lab goggles, tyvek head covers, duct tape, rubber boots, nitrile gloves, bleach, iodaphor, pump sprayers, etc. (Full bio suit and needed accesories)


33 posted on 10/13/2019 5:17:24 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: SkyPilot; TexasGator
The IRS has been trying to wrap its hands around cryptocurrency for several years.

Ever since they got a list of currency ownership from Coinbase a few years ago, their interest has ratcheted up.

Several issues still remain. The IRS treats crypto as an investment, the SEC treats it as currency.

But with the Treasury's emphasis on FBAR and FINCen 114 reporting, any crypto that uses a foreign trading center may be in violation of a bunch of rules that only expats have dealt with. Not fun at all.

We all know that it's coming.

34 posted on 10/13/2019 6:28:39 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: ameribbean expat
Like you're going to tell them. 😆
35 posted on 10/13/2019 7:37:17 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SkyPilot

Me:Two false facts in the first sentence. Delete this garbage.

You:That’s not correct.


I am correct. YOU ARE WRONG!

1. It is only a draft

2. It is NOT THE MAIN FORM! It is 1040 SCHEDULE 1.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has updated the main form individual U.S. taxpayers use to report their income to include a question about cryptocurrencies.



36 posted on 10/13/2019 9:46:11 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: aquila48

“My hunch “

Sal says when you can’t fight the facts Attack the messenger.


37 posted on 10/13/2019 9:48:50 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Raycpa

Have you been asking clients if the use Crypto currencies the last four years?


38 posted on 10/13/2019 10:00:31 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: texas booster

“The IRS has been trying to wrap its hands around cryptocurrency for several years.”

Yes. All that is new is the specific question.


39 posted on 10/13/2019 10:04:29 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

Nope, not directly. Probably should have. I try to limit questions to general areas to have no more than one page of questions that are designed to give us a jumping off point to ask more detailed questions. I use two general questions about sale of assets and another on miscellaneous income.

The only time I dealt directly on this issue was a potential client who wanted to know what to do with past years. He never hired me . I always had suspicion that person was testing me because I think he was recording our discussions and tried getting me to filing in a way that is not correct. He also had excuse for not using a tax attorney I advised him to use because of possible criminal issues.


40 posted on 10/13/2019 11:14:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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