Posted on 10/10/2019 2:12:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
To me the whole “marketing to kids” meme is bullshit.
I didn’t start smoking and drinking as a teenager because of marketing to kids, I did it BECAUSE I WANTED TO ACT LIKE AN ADULT!
Well that and it made the whole sex thing easier to come by too :)
Sorry FRiend, discarded by whom?
At the present, almost all of the focus has been on E acetate added to bootleg thc cartridges. If you’ve got some research that debunks this, do share...
Juul was bought by big tobacco, was it last year? to the same company - Altria. So deep pockets to pick. Almost all vape products, from the 401 and 510 ‘stage cigarettes’ to the first eliquids to the glass tanks, to the adjustable voltage one and two batt units - all came from Chinese factories so no lawsuit avenue there.
Taking advantage of the uncertain Vape market. I wonder if this is a big set up or just fortunate timing. Philip Morris is a pharmaceutical nothing MO. Conglomerate shamarate.
Spot on post. Kids don’t need marketing to find some way to behave badly. How many heroin commercials are there? How many for weed, crack?
As long as adults say “no” a lot of kids say “yes”. Especially if chicks dig ‘em
The patch? Bong water enema?
Lord Save Me From Truman
Actually; Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.
“No one substance, including vitamin E acetate, has been identified in all of the samples tested”
Chemical Burns’ Seen as Possible Cause of Vaping Lung Damage
Troy Brown, RN
October 03, 2019
Lung injuries from vaping probably result from direct toxicity or tissue damage caused by noxious chemical fumes, rather than from an accumulation of lipids in the lungs, pathology data suggest.
“We were not surprised by what we found, regarding toxicity,” Brandon T. Larsen, MD, PhD, a surgical pathologist at the Mayo Clinic, Scottsdale, Arizona, and a national expert in lung pathology, said in a news release.
“We have seen a handful of cases, scattered individual cases, over the past two years where we’ve observed the same thing, and now we are seeing a sudden spike in cases. Our study offers the first detailed review of the abnormalities that may be seen in lung biopsies to help clinicians and pathologists make a diagnosis in an appropriate clinical context,” Larsen said.
To learn more about the pathology of vaping-associated lung injury, Larsen and colleagues studied lung biopsy specimens from 17 patients (13 men; median age, 35 years) who reported vaping and who were suspected of having associated lung injuries. Two of the patients were from the Mayo Clinic, and the other patients were from elsewhere in the United States. Most (71%) of the patients vaped with marijuana or cannabis oils.
Larsen and colleagues’ findings were published online October 2 in the New England Journal of Medicine.
All of the patients had bilateral pulmonary opacities; 15 of the patients presented in 2019.
All of the lung biopsy specimens revealed “patterns of acute lung injury, including acute fibrinous pneumonitis, diffuse alveolar damage, or organizing pneumonia, usually bronchiolocentric and accompanied by bronchiolitis,” the authors explain.
Histologic findings were nonspecific, but all cases were characterized by foamy macrophages and pneumocyte vacuolization. Pigmented macrophages were sometimes seen, but these never predominated. There were often prominent neutrophils; eosinophils were seen rarely; and no granulomas were seen.
Bronchioloalveolar lavage fluid was available for two cases. They revealed “abundant foamy macrophages.” Two patients who had diffuse alveolar damage died.
The researchers saw no histologic or radiologic evidence of tissue damage resulting from an accumulation of lipids such as mineral oils, which until now have been a suspected cause of vaping-linked lung injuries.
“While we can’t discount the potential role of lipids, we have not seen anything to suggest this is a problem caused by lipid accumulation in the lungs. Instead, it seems to be some kind of direct chemical injury, similar to what one might see with exposures to toxic chemical fumes, poisonous gases and toxic agents,” Larsen said in the news release.
More than 800 lung injury cases have been linked to vaping during the past several months, and at least 12 patients in 10 states have died. Investigators believe products that contain THC or other cannabis oils such as cannabidiol may be involved.
Some states have temporarily banned the sale of e-cigarettes or the flavored liquids used in the products, pending health investigations. The US Food and Drug Administration is considering banning all nontobacco-flavored vaping liquids. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cautions that children, young adults, pregnant women, and adults who don’t currently use tobacco products should not use e-cigarettes, and the American Lung Association says e-cigarettes are not safe and can cause permanent lung injury and disease.
“Everyone should recognize that vaping is not without potential risks, including life-threatening risks, and I think our research supports that,” Larsen warned. “It would seem prudent based on our observations to explore ways to better regulate the industry and better educate the public, especially our youth, about the risks associated with vaping.”
“Although it is difficult to discount the potential role of lipid, we believe that the histologic changes instead suggest that vaping-associated lung injury represents a form of airway-associated lung injury represents a form of airway-centered chemical pneumonitis from one or more inhaled toxic substances rather than exogenous lipoid pneumonia as such, but the agents responsible remain unknown,” the authors conclude.
Larsen has received personal fees from Paraxel and Veracyte outside of this study. One coauthor has received personal fees from Paraxel. The remaining coauthors have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.
N Engl J Med. Published online October 2, 2019 for full text
"In March 1978, 13 (21 per cent) of 61 marijuana samples from the southwestern United States were found to be contaminated with the herbicide paraquat, a pulmonary toxin, in concentrations from 3 to 2,264 parts per million. The source of the contamination was an aerial spraying program in Mexico, supported indirectly by United States funds."
I stand corrected. I did a little ‘let your fingers do the walking’ on Vuse’s website, and found a place over on the main drag that sells Vuse Solo. Not my first choice, if I had magical powers, but it feels good in the hand, and I fondly remember the taste from an annual Christmas trip back home several holidays ago, so all is currently serene here at this late hour.
Unfortunately, this does not say that e acetate has been discarded as a primary suspected cause. Only that Mayo clinic doesn’t observe lipid accumulation. No other mechanism of damage is addressed at all.
Then we don’t need to do anything but enforce existing laws. All of these devices are intended for and, in every vape shop I know, sold to, adults only. It is illegal for “kids” to have or use vaping devices. If they do, prosecute them...problem solved.
Sorry, NO. The existing laws aren’t working and we don’t buy the mantra that we don’t need to do anything else.
Kids are being turned into addicts. Full stop. I care. Millions of conservatives care, and we will freely march into voting booths to regulate/restrict/tax vaping.
We won the smoking war, and we will win the vaping war.
Iqos heats but doesnt burn up actual tobacco where the vapes heat up a juice.
Vapes won the smoking war.
So you would help kids by hurting adults. That is not at all a conservative approach. Existing laws would work if enforced. Arrest the kids with vapes or cigarettes and fine or jail them. Problem solved.
Cigarette smoking among “kids” is at an all time low. Want to reverse that trend? Ban vapes.
Nope...regulate/restrict/tax. The war on smoking was won via a combination of all 3. However making smoking more expensive was a significant game changer. As the cost of vaping increases due to taxes, there will be less demand.
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