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To: Pete Dovgan

Perhaps Ukranians have a better estimate of what Soviet occupation meant. Starvation.


54 posted on 06/09/2019 3:12:13 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

“” “” Perhaps Ukranians have a better estimate of what Soviet occupation meant. Starvation.”” “”

At least be a little more recent. Starvation is not coming with Communism only and certainly on table for them right now after falling into a Europe’s poorest country. Much more so than it was under Communists.

In more detail in 2015 Ukraine had the worst new car sales since... 1968. And that’s given the fact that as a part of USSR they didn’t really had a market and had years long waiting lists for automobiles at the time.

In 1970 the Soviet car market reformed to a more Western model and in 1975 Ukrainians bought 355% as many cars as they did in 2015. 390% by 1984.

Guess which political and economic system Ukraine had in 1975 and 1984?

Communism is universally viewed as an impoverishing corrisive system and correctly so but for some people it proved to be far from worst or the best they had, Ukraine included. Maybe it is too simple to say Communism or Russia or both were Ukraine’s problem?

And we were talking about the economic aspect only so far. Now let’s look at the aspect of liberty and a rather simple research would show that it was much safer to express alternative political views under Brezhnev let alone Gorbachev’s administration both Communist in Ukraine than it was under Poroshenko regime. It is really hard to imagine Gorbachev sending crowds of dimwits with facial swastika tattoos to beat journalist and trash their offices for publishing something about him he didn’t like.

There is a reason why the protestors in the East were waving Soviet flags. By all objective accounts they had it better from all sides under Communists not counting Stalinist era. And the fact is that with their life expectancies 1930s aren’t even the recent history but more like dark ages. Try a little bit reflection and imagine Georgia still having grievances with Grant and Lincoln at the center of their politics in 21th century. How would it have been worked for them?

Pointing at Putin’s Russia and remembering 1930s in that context is simply a tool of misleading population for political goals.

Russia has its problems but it went a long way working hard since USSR fell and undoubtedly improved big time. They have by far better living standards all around than they had any day under Communists or before them while for the Ukrainians 1975 is still a golden standard they won’t ever touch again anytime soon.


56 posted on 06/09/2019 9:08:18 PM PDT by NorseViking
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