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‘Combat Obscura’ Pulverizes Romantic Ideas About American Marines And War
The Federalist ^ | 3/27/19 | Susanna Hoffman

Posted on 03/27/2019 8:07:12 AM PDT by Sopater

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1 posted on 03/27/2019 8:07:12 AM PDT by Sopater
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I expect that this film is likely a one-sided presentation of propaganda, but it is probably a change from the one-sided presentation of propaganda that we’re used to seeing.


2 posted on 03/27/2019 8:10:26 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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Sounds like an updated movie version of “Sand In The Wind”..............


3 posted on 03/27/2019 8:13:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (We are headed for a Civil War. It won't be nice like the last one....................)
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6 trillion and 5,000 of our guys.

“So girls can walk to school.”

Nah, I’d say that’s a really bad trade.

Best punishment for that country is to be responsible for THEMSELVES.

Same for Iraq and Syria, too.

AND Iran.


4 posted on 03/27/2019 8:14:37 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Sopater

Sounds like an opportunity for people comfortably ensconced on a couch in an air conditioned room to sit in judgement and condemnation of men facing tension and situations most humans will never be subjected to.


5 posted on 03/27/2019 8:16:26 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: Sopater

Actually, there are plenty of accounts from WWII about atrocities our own troops carried out. War is hell. That is why it is a thing to be avoided.

However, it is becoming more and more mechanized and roboticized. The reason the anti-war movement during either of the persian gulf wars never got any traction was that not enough troops died. And with every war of this type, we will almost certainly have fewer and fewer deaths.

Heck, I think you may be safer in afghanistan than in Detroit.


6 posted on 03/27/2019 8:16:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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Very few say war is good.

But war is often necessary.


7 posted on 03/27/2019 8:18:31 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Sopater

War Is Hell - as if we didn’t know it to start with.

We don’t chose war because it is hell, to reward any brutality within it, but in spite of that fact.


8 posted on 03/27/2019 8:18:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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My dad, when he did talk, told of things he saw in Europe with Patton’s Third Army, no different than this.

I’ve herd Vietnam vets say the same.


9 posted on 03/27/2019 8:20:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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... this film is likely a one-sided presentation of propaganda,

It is and I don't appreciate it being released when my son and other marines are still in Afghanistan and Syria.

It is propaganda.

Give me a break.

It should be banned and confiscated.
10 posted on 03/27/2019 8:22:11 AM PDT by ssfromla
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Nothing bothered me except when the marines got shot.

I wouldn’t care if they used dead Taliban as mulch.

Everyone KNOW they curse a lot. Who didn’t at that age.

They joke about death. You wouldn’t?? People with cancer joke about cancer. Should we lock them up.

It concerns me that smoking so much pot could get them killed but it is what it is. It’s not like they were shooting heroin.

Geez..everybody this isn’t the 1950s anymore. Ask a kid whose pop is an alcoholic if he wishes pop would smoke pot and eat lots of potato chips instead of beating the #### out of them.

Want an even bigger shock!! I grew up with mafiosi and did a few small time things myself.

They’re not actually as classy and dignified as Vito and his son Michael.

They’re sick animals.

Who the hell expects what we see on the big screen to be real life?!?!

As for killing a civilian, you have to get hard to this kind of thing or you won’t survive, i would assume

And YES. I’d hide the body too. Hell i’d bury it somewhere fast.

It’s war. Not a scout trip to the woods.

I would like them to be more able to admit if they need to talk to someone when they get home.

Too many WWII vets killed themselves because it was considered “weak” to seek help.

Either way, God Bless the Marines and the entire American military.

They’re not perfect. That’s what God is for.

To quote Nicholson, “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!”


11 posted on 03/27/2019 8:22:57 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: Sopater

War has always been barbaric.


12 posted on 03/27/2019 8:23:38 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TheDandyMan

One can question if- hell STATE for a fact that - they never should have been over there, while still respecting the patriotism, heroism, and sacrifice of those who have gone.

We had NO business in Iraq or Afghanistan, nothing has been gained, much lost; those who made the decision to go have hurt this country more than any enemy. But our soldiers are heroes and deserve to be treated as such.


13 posted on 03/27/2019 8:23:54 AM PDT by RedStateRocker
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To: dp0622

Anybody who ever says ““YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!” to my face will get shot in the gut (so they can die slow) if I can get away with it. Anyone using, or even thinking, those words should be skinned alive and left to roast in the desert.


14 posted on 03/27/2019 8:26:23 AM PDT by RedStateRocker
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Most people couldn’t handle the truth.

But if you’re a sick #### who would do that to someone, enjoy it :)

WTF do you want me to tell you? :)


15 posted on 03/27/2019 8:28:14 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: Sopater

People sleep peaceably in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

There is nothing romantic about war. Horrible atrocities occur in all wars. Stop denigrating those sent out to protect the CIA’s poppy fields, er bring peace to Afghanistan.


16 posted on 03/27/2019 8:42:41 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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The horrors of ware are to stay on the battle field. As an aviator I did not see the brutality that my 03xx bretheren did on the ground, but I saw plenty of the secondary order of effects. Villages burning as ethnic cleansing was occurring, buildings built in Sarajevo for the Olympics with bullet holes and impacts from the shelling. Entire settlements wiped out of existence. Troops I had trained came back from Iraq and Afghanistan (those that did come back) with their own stories but would not talk to the press, just fellow Marines.

They did what they needed to do and the public has no need to know the details.


17 posted on 03/27/2019 8:45:49 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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Wow, what insight!

So Marines are not all angelic, and some of them can become inured to the brutality of war and become callous. There's a news flash.

Marines are human beings, like everyone else, and are imperfect. Some come pretty damn close to the ideal, and some don't.

They fight, better than just about anyone else. And they win. That's their primary job. Some of my best combat Marines were guys that probably would have ended up in jail in the outside. Some even did. But that doesn't diminish their courage in fighting, nor does it diminish the generally high moral character and honor of other Marines.

Semper Fi, and I hope some other Marines give this little weasel a bit of payback some day.

18 posted on 03/27/2019 8:46:08 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Good heavens! They are aghast at the vulgarity and callousness of Marine’s during combat as they and their brothers in arms are killed and maimed by barbarians who worship death? They are aghast at the marijuana usage?

It must have been like looking in the mirror for liberal media and socialists. Except, of course, for the part where the Marines were actually in mortal danger, something no liberal would ever consider. They only like to put others in danger and enjoy the suffering and even death. We all read the liberal blog posts whenever conservatives die.

Conservatives already know what happens in war. We already know it’s hell and why. We just don’t believe in condemning the brave souls who risk theirs for the rest of us. And we believe in redemption and forgiveness, a phenomenon completely outside of their lexicon and reality.

This is just another lame attempt to shock conservatives into betraying our heros. They are heros and if I ever see this footage, it will make me weep for them and pray harder for them, not despise them or think less of them in any way.

For starters, they are my sons who served in the Army and Navy. And after being in war and occasionally in combat, they are far less damaged by war than students of colleges and universities are by the deliberate social engineering experiments than they suffer through at the hands of people far more callous and amoral than the taliban. And just like the taliban, they really believe that the damage they do is virtuous.


19 posted on 03/27/2019 8:48:12 AM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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6 trillion and 5,000 of our guys.
“So girls can walk to school.” a really bad trade.


I quite agree. I was supposed to go to Afghanistan in the late 60s as a Peace Corps Volunteer—before the overthrow of the King. Learned a lot about the country. Easy to invade, hard as hell to get out of. They really do insist on a couple of things: they want to be left the hell alone, and they prefer living in the 8th century. Oddly, girls could walk to school, at least in Kabul, and the only veil college girls in Kabul wore were sunglasses. But out in the countryside where the mullahs ruled, it was and likely still is quite different. IMHO we should have pounded the Taliban and gotten out—not spent nearly two decades taking them to a place (21st century) where they don’t want to go.


20 posted on 03/27/2019 8:48:35 AM PDT by hanamizu
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