Posted on 02/15/2019 3:11:05 PM PST by OddLane
The character and legacy of wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill is once again under assault by the radical left. Why are they going after him? What about other beloved “heroes” from history? Should our civilization even have founding heroes and myths?
Do we still need myths?
He addresses this point around the five minute mark.
Churchill was a conservative.
Churchill was a man.
Churchill was white.
Sorry, Winnie. Three strikes and you’re out.
The left is mad at Churchill because he beat Hitler.
It’s like Republicans. They’d rather be in the minority fightin’.
I checked in because I thought the war was against WARD Churchill.
I’d also be concerned about a war on “Mad Jack” Churchill, though, another true WW II hero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
And they still aren't happy about his Iron Curtain speech, either.
“From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent.”
Beat me to it
Churchill hated commies
Rule Britannia
Plus he wrote a volume I own where he’s somewhat friendly to the American South
To the left and today’s pencil neck Shapiros and Dineshes
That’s Mein Kampf basically
I imagine Dinesh with his own prejudices is hard on Winnie
I think Churchill is one of the greatest men in western civ since Washington and Tom and Madison etc
Ward Churchill, there is a name I haven’t heard or seen since about 2006. What did become of that fellow?
Why do they hate Winston Churchill?
Because he was civilized.
And Churchill did warn us of the Muslims in the first edition of the River War....
Smart man.
I saw an interview which must have been made some time ago of Virginia Governor and Senator Harry Byrd. He talked about the time Churchill spent with them as their house guest.
He said that he and his Father who I think was also a Senator, loved him. He said his Mother didn’t like him because he would walk around the house in his underwear.
I enjoyed listening to him because we are related to the Byrds of Virginia and also Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Robert was adopted and took the name Byrd but he was still related to the Byrd’s. Admiral Byrd was also part of the family.
Senator Byrd (Harry) was very conservative
Dunno, I hadn’t thought of him until this thread either. I suppose the Fraud didn’t need a wacko white leftist for anything, looks like he faded away after the Usurpation began.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill
Souza’s views are filtered through a lens of India and their relationship with England. Fair enough, one can have differing views regarding policy decisions, etc..
.It is one thing to judge decisions and policiy in a contemporaneous situation, quite another to come along 50-100-200 years later to squack. Besides, I have always like Churchill..
In the following quotations from Churchill, we can see thoughts of his on the subject dating from 1908 to the 1950's. Much of what is happening in America today is described within these words:
"When I see the present Socialist Government denouncing capitalism in all its forms, mocking with derision and contempt the tremendous free enterprise capitalist system on which the mighty production of the United States is founded, I cannot help feeling that as a nation we are not acting honorably or even honestly." - Winston Churchill, Woodford Green, July 10, 1948."We shall not allow the advance of society and economic well-being of the nation to be regulated and curtailed by the pace of the weakest bretheren among us. Proper incentives must be offered and full freedom given to the strong to use their strength in the commonweal. Initiative, enterprise, thrift, domestic foresight, contrivance, good housekeeping and natural ability must reap their just reward. On any other plan the population of this island will sink by disastrous and agonizing stages to a far lower standard of life and two-thirds of its present numbers." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blenheim Palace, August 4, 1947.
"The difference between what is seen and what is not seen was often noticed by the old economists. What is not seen is the infinite variety of individual transactions and decisions which, in a civilized society, within the framework of just and well-known laws, insure the advantage not only of the individual concerned, but of the community, and provide that general body of well-being constituting the wealth of nations. All this is blotted out by an over-riding State control, however imposing some of its manifestations may be. It is the vital creative impulse that that I deeply fear the doctrines and policy of the socialist Government have destroyed, or are rapidly destroying, in our national life. Nothing that they can plan and order and rush around enforcing will take its place. They have broken the mainspring, and until we get a new one the watch will not go." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, October 28, 1947.
"It is in the interest of the wage-earner to have many other alternatives open to him than service under one all-powerful employer called the State. He will be in a better position to bargain collectively and production will be more abundant; there will be more for all and more freedom for all when the wage earner is able, in the large majority of cases, to choose and change his work, and deal with a private employer who, like himself, is subject to the ordinary pressures of life and, like himself, is dependent upon his personal thrift, ingenuity and good-housekeeping." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blackpool, October 5, 1946
"Liberalism (classical liberalism) has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly." - Winston Churchill, Kinnaird Hall, Dundee, May 14, 1908.
"The British nation now has to make one of the most momentous choices in its history. That choice is between two ways of life: between individual liberty and State domination: between concentration of ownership in the hands of the State and the extension of a property-owning democracy; between a policy of increasing restraint and a policy of liberating energy and ingenuity: between a policy of levelling down and a policy of finding opportunities for all to rise upwards from a basic standard." - Winston Churchill, speech in Woodford, England, January 28, 1950.
"It is curious that, while in the days of my youth I was much reproached with inconsistency and being changeable, I am now scolded for adhering to the same views I had early in life and even of repeating passages from speeches which I made long before most of you were born. Of course the world moves on and we dwell in a constantly changing climate of opinion. But the broad principles and truths of wise and sane political actions do not necessarily alter with the changing moods of a democratic electorate. Not everything changes. Two and two still make four, and I could give you many other instances which go to prove that all wisdom is not new wisdom." - Winston Churchill, speech, Bele vue, Manchester, December 6, 1947.
"It is not Parliament that should rule; it is the people who should rule through Parliament." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. November 11, 1947.
"We have to combat the wolf of socialism, and we shall be able to do it far more effectively as a pack of hounds than as a flock of sheep." - Winston Churchill, speech, 1937.
"Athough it is now put forward in the main by people who have a good grounding in the Liberalism and Radicalism of the early part of this century, there can be no doubt that Socialism is inseparably interwoven with Totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State. It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of Socialism." - Winston Churchill, B.B.C radio address, June 4, 1945.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill, House of Commons, October 22, 1945.
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill, Perth, May 28, 1948.
"I do not wonder that British youth is in revolt against the morbid doctrine that nothing matters but the equal sharing of miseries: that what used to be called the submerged tenth can only be rescued by bringing the other nine-tenths down to their level; against the folly that it is better that everyone should have half rations rather than that any by their exertions, or ability, should earn a second helping." - Winston Churchill, London, June 22, 1948.
"Socialism is based on the idea of an all-powerful State which owns everything, which plans everything, which distributes everything, and thus through its politicians and officials decides the daily life of the individual citizen." - Winston Churchill, London, January 21, 1950.
"The British and Americans do not war with races or governments as such. Tyranny, external or internal, is our foe whatever trappings and disguises it wears, whatever language it speaks, or perverts." - Winston Churchill, Speech, Dorchester Hotel, London, July 4, 1953.
"You may try to destroy wealth, and find that all you have done is to increase poverty." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. March 12, 1947.
"Nor should it be supposed as you would imagine, to read some of the Left-wing newspaper, that all Americans are multi-millionaires of Wall Street. If they were all multi-millionaires that would be no reason for condemning a system which has produced such material results.: - Winston Churchill, speech, Royal Albert Hall, London. April 21, 1948.
"Rich men, although valuable to the revenue, are not vital to a healthy state of society, but a society in which rich men are got rid of, from motives of jealousy, is not a healthy state." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, April 24, 1950.
without heros and myths, tales of success and failure, tales of struggle between good and evil, there is nothing to strive for, no universal ideals within a culture, no sense of the history of the world. It might as well be the Dark Ages, living only for the moment, like an animal.
Remember recently, Astronaut Scott Kelly praised Churchill, then within hours, apologized and pledged to educate himself about Churchill’s alleged bigotry, and other offenses against 21st century political correctness?
Why is there such fear of the left in this country?
And why are we judging historic figures by the standards of 21st century political correctness?
And if they violate any such standards, then they are considered worthless human beings, regardless of whatever historic achievements they were responsible for?
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