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This technology could fundamentally change our relationship to electricity
Vox ^ | June 5, 2018 | David Roberts

Posted on 06/07/2018 3:44:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: wgmalabama

Did he fall for Bernie’s b.s.?


21 posted on 06/07/2018 4:44:29 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: wgmalabama

Don’t forget your talking to a jet engine designer. Yes, I was serious. Magnetic bearing technology has gone where? We talked about it in the 90’s, never to happen as far as I know.


22 posted on 06/07/2018 4:45:45 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: wgmalabama

When I read the BTU loss, yeah, no thanks, I’m good.


23 posted on 06/07/2018 4:46:45 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: NativeSon

Yes. And he is now a homeless druggie.


24 posted on 06/07/2018 4:49:56 PM PDT by wgmalabama (The government murdered Robert LaVoy Finicum - what makes you think you are not next?)
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To: OftheOhio

I dont know what you do and how would I. The freaking idiot thought he had perpetual motion solved. Like I was saying liberalism is a mental disease that has a bunch of ignorance added. The article was stupid and comparing BTU to BTU was the code. Just giving an example of idiocy.

Magnetic ball bearings was not what he was going for. Perpetual motion was. Maybe he can work for Boeing.


25 posted on 06/07/2018 4:54:02 PM PDT by wgmalabama (The government murdered Robert LaVoy Finicum - what makes you think you are not next?)
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To: unixfox

A lot of users correct their power factor to reduce their utility bill. Getting all the consumers and generators to sing the same tune is a tremendous challenge. Those big turbines and copper filled alternators are essential
to grid stability which wind and solar do not provide.


26 posted on 06/07/2018 4:57:22 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: be-baw
I was in the power generation business for about 25 years, the mechanical side, not the electrical.

The article is really about a company selling snake oil in my opinion.

I knew that we were in trouble from the third long sentence in the article, “But power is also lost in between, on the grid, as it is carried along hundreds of miles of wires, repeatedly shifted between different voltages, and converted from AC to DC and back, all in the split second between the time it enters the grid and the time it powers your computer.”

Power is not repeatedly “converted from AC to DC and back” on the grid. If someone starts his article with a massive misconception... it is very obvious that the rest of the article is likely to be complete nonsense.

Another example: “The problem is, we’re still not measuring electricity digitally, continuously, using real data about real electrons passing through wires.” Almost all metering installed in the last quarter of a century from the meter on your house to the meters at substations to the meters at the power station have been DIGITAL meters. We had digital meters installed at our lumber mill 35 years ago. What is this clown talking about? And analog measuring equipment is not necessarily any less accurate.

From the article, “Here’s the problem, though: It is a devil to explain.” The person who wrote the article has a good imagination but very little understanding of the finer points of electrical theory. Could he explain the difference between inductance and capacitance? He mentions technical terms but only to make his piece sound more authentic to people who do not know what they mean. The BS in this article was so thick that I found my inner voice calling the author a dumbsh*t basically from the beginning to the end.

27 posted on 06/07/2018 5:00:20 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: Moonman62
In order to believe this article, you have to believe that most energy in the grid is not lost in transmission, but in mismatch between signal quality and the devices the electricity is reaching, which is, quite frankly preposterous.

I'm just a poor, retired physicist turned software developer in his retirement and will defer to any EE who can prove otherwise, but there are two "tells" in this article for me: 1) The SDE engineers "reject" DOE's claims about where electrical losses occur. That sends up a red flag immediately, because matching inputs to outputs and knowing what transmission losses occur in the middle is not something you get wrong by orders of magnitude. [Which is part of the basis of their claims.] 2) Eventually, they get around to the "this is too important to be trusted to capitalism, because there are too many big boys who want our grid to be dirty and wasteful." Oh ... horsesh!t. They soft-peddle this line with a good bit more subtlety than most, but it's in there, which puts it in the conspiracy theory world of hoaxsters like Rossi, guys with perpetual motion machines, "zero point" energy scams, and pills that can turn water into gasoline.

Finally, just the basic physics of this is bothersome. In order to swallow the premise you have to believe that the transfer functions of most devices connected to the grid are tremendously sensitive to harmonic and other kinds of distortion, and this is simply not true, and you can't make it true by claiming you compute 26 different parameters of power quality and run them through an advanced computer with an AI to improve the power quality along those two dozen-odd axes.

It's too bad the redoubtable Kevmo® is no longer with us. SDE sounds like it would go perfectly with one of his Cold Fusion Generators.

28 posted on 06/07/2018 5:02:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: fireman15

Stopped reading at “converted from AC to DC and back”. Ignorant hack.


29 posted on 06/07/2018 5:04:39 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Power from the electromagnetic background radiation of the universe is the answer. No B.S.


30 posted on 06/07/2018 5:05:07 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the new cult of the Left.)
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To: mountainlion

Or come up with an inexpensive a liquid nitrogen superconductor, which would seem like a much better use of money.


31 posted on 06/07/2018 5:07:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the U.S., AC power is NOT converted from AC to DC and then back to AC at any point on the power grid from the time it’s generated and the time it exits your wall sockets, excepting apparently a very small number of HVDC interconnects. It’s AC all the way for the U.S. baby!

Only solar goes from DC to AC, and only some wind generators make the AC-DC-AC conversion. IS that inefficient and expensive, with additional complexity and additional points of failure? yes. very.

All other AC to DC conversion is done by rectifiers in various parts of end-use electronic equipment in the home and industry ...


32 posted on 06/07/2018 5:08:36 PM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: fireman15
See my other reply, right below yours.

There are a number of howlers in the article, but one of my favorites is "A microsecond is about a millionth of a second." No, that is the exact definition.

About what you expect from a) popular scientific press and b) Vox.

33 posted on 06/07/2018 5:10:45 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: wgmalabama

That troubling to learn and a shame for the young man.


34 posted on 06/07/2018 5:11:12 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Silly Man......

He thinks the enviro-whackos want efficiency.

THEY DON’T WANT ANY SOLUTIONS!!!

THEY WANT PEOPLE TO GO AWAY AND DIE!!!!

Otherwise, this approach has great potential!


35 posted on 06/07/2018 5:15:24 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: wgmalabama

They were working on perpetual motion way before electricity, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmsBwqfpMaU


36 posted on 06/07/2018 5:23:53 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Incandescent bulbs are pretty much 100% efficient in the wintertime. They provide a slight but noticeable warmth in the room.

When the public service drones talk about “saving energy” what they really mean is reducing consumption. There is no way to save electricity in any meaningful sense. Peak load production is what it’s all about. And with the war on coal, and fossil fuels generally, they really mean skyrocketing power bills. They won’t tell you that. Barry did, and somehow the rubes still voted for him.

They love to talk about “innovative sources of new energy”, but we don’t really need that as such. We need to use everything at our disposal, sure. What they are offering is a false choice, an “either/or” deception.

America has the largest deposits of high quality coal in the workd. Several hundred years worth. It also means jobs (careers actually) for thousands and thousands of people. The wages circulate in the local economy and provide sorely needed tax revenue.


37 posted on 06/07/2018 5:26:54 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I take issue with the article’s first assertion of energy going to waste in terms of heat. Unless you live in a southern state, that heat is contributing to keeping your home warm and is not being wasted.


38 posted on 06/07/2018 5:29:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3DFS was the company that made the Voodoo and Voodoo II 3d video cards back in the 90s. At the time, they were the fastest 3d cards on the market.


39 posted on 06/07/2018 5:36:05 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: mountainlion
About 50% of the power is lost in the transmission lines due to resistance.

Not possible - that much power loss through resistance, which would be converted to heat, would melt the whole electrical grid

High-voltage transmission is pretty efficient, only a 1-2% loss ... like the article says, the waste is at the ends


40 posted on 06/07/2018 5:36:17 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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