Posted on 02/15/2018 4:14:17 PM PST by Armen Hareyan
Since we are on the subject I will ask you about this article
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3631232/posts
Do you think that there is a better way to produce vaccines?
At any time the United Nations building could collapse and free us from thousands of third-world con-men/women/thingies.
My dad said this decades ago. He was involved in some fairly dark epidemiology. The world, and many of the people within it, are at a point that a reboot might be for the best.
Thank you!
On the other side of the coin; I believe medical advances will stop, and may already have stopped, some pandemics from happening. No one will ever know that what would have happened didn’t happen.
But some bacterium or virus will come along that medical science didn’t expect and can’t handle. I’m afraid that’s the nature of living on a planet that is bursting with life forms of every imaginable kind.
In the US and in the European countries fighting in WWI, Germany and France and England included, reports of the influenza outbreak, one of the worst and deadliest pandemics ever since the very worst of the “Black Death” outbreaks, were suppressed at the request of the governments, including ours, who feared it could adversely affect the war effort and recruitment efforts and with the cooperation of a willing press who agreed to not report or greatly down play the pandemic and number of deaths.
But Spain being neutral during the war was more free to report the many deaths and therefore it was long and incorrectly assumed that it was worse in Spain or even started there, and therefore and evermore, became to be known as the “Spanish Flu”.
You’re welcome.
Sorry to hear.
Technically, there are probably better ways to produce flu vaccines. The use of chicken eggs is problematic for a number of reasons. For example, it is inefficient, producing only one dose of vaccine per egg. Each virus strain contained in the final vaccine is a separate dose, so that vaccine cost the lives of three or four baby chickens (not that anyone really cares about them). Another issue is that the vaccine viruses have to be adapted to growth in chicken embryos, which means that they may not match up completely to the circulating viruses that are adapted to growth in humans.
A few years ago, a company got FDA approval to sell an influenza vaccine grown in mammalian cells, actually dog kidney cells. (Immortalized cell lines, they are not killing dogs to make vaccines!) This has the advantage that it is more efficient, and the vaccine viruses are mammal-adapted, which means they more closely match the wild viruses. Other strategies to produce vaccine include various synthetic methods--that is, a piece of DNA that codes for artificial proteins that contain antigenic portions of influenza proteins is made and used to make vaccine, either by completely synthesizing it in a cell-free system or putting it into mammalian cells which then become little vaccine factories. There are many efforts underway to find better, more efficient ways to produce higher quality vaccines.
The problem with this year's vaccine is the variability of the influenza virus itself, that I mentioned in my previous post. The WHO influenza experts use data on strains that are circulating in one hemisphere to try to forecast which strains will predominate when flu season hits in the other hemisphere. (Thus, they are meeting now or have already met to decide next year's strains for the southern hemisphere.) As you might guess, this is a bit more challenging than trying to forecast the weather a few days out. Any given strain of influenza only circulates for a few years, until the point at which most of the population is immune to it. Then it mutates so that it can avoid all of that immunity, and people are susceptible to it again. We also say that it is a different virus at that point. This is an on-going challenge, which we cannot ever really overcome. This is why so many researchers are going after the "holy grail" of influenza research--the universal vaccine. Which may be impossible to achieve.
I should point out that in the thread you linked, the article said that 80% of the influenza cases this season are of the H3N2 strain. The vaccine was only 10% effective against H3N2. These two little facts suggest to me that the vaccine was actually quite effective against the other two or three strains included in the formulation. I'll say that my own impression, with the number of people calling in sick, is that there is an especially high number of cases this year. I don't know, though, since I have not done any kind of formal study into the incidence of influenza this year. I haven't had to be the resident flu guru at work for a couple of years now... no, I'm not being facetious--two years ago, knowing everything about influenza was my primary job duty.
Thanks for the en-lighting post.
No they are not. God is in control. However reality is we will all live forever. Now is when you get to choose where.
I don’t mean to monopolize your time but you have got me going on all of my long simmering thoughts on viruses.
I had read one time that all flu viruses originate in fowl. They were all originally bird viruses.
And so the occasional story in the news about huge government mandated exterminations of a farmers' stock of chickens to prevent a flu epidemic.
True?
Give me a break.
Yes, that is true. Millions of poultry (not just chickens) have been culled to stop a new virus from jumping into humans.
It is late now, but I will be happy to continue this discussion tomorrow evening.
Thank you very much
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I am sure it is possible, but chances are, our public health authorities really have no idea of the likelihood.
Well, now, we ARE all going to die - just not at the same time...
;-)
Thanks “Mom”. I always find your posts on this and other science and medical topics enlightening. You are a breath of fresh air and a “vaccine” as it were against some of the lunacy being posted here.
Trying to scare folks - any bets that if the pandemic arrives we will find out it was triggered by too damn many vaccinations....
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