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On January 10 in 49 B.C., Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon River
http://vaviper.blogspot.com ^ | 01/10/2018 | Harpygoddess

Posted on 01/10/2018 6:52:04 AM PST by harpygoddess

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To: dfwgator
Even then, you got to watch your grammar!


41 posted on 01/10/2018 11:15:55 AM PST by cartan
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To: cartan
"esto"?

I've always heard it as "the die is cast" ("alea iacta est").

A little googling revealed this: "Lewis and Short[4], citing Casaubon and Ruhnk, suggest that the text of Suetonius should read iacta alea esto (reading the imperative ESTO instead of EST), which they translate as "Let the die be cast!", or "Let the game be ventured!". This matches Plutarch's use of third-person singular perfect middle/passive imperative of the verb ἀναρρίπτω,[5] i.e. ἀνερρίφθω κύβος (anerrhiphtho kybos, pronounced [anerːípʰtʰɔː kýbos])."

I tracked the Lewis & Short link: alea

The ppp with sum/esse is often challenging to translate. Formally "iacta est" is the perfect passive "has been cast" not present passive "is cast" ("iacitur").

"iacta esto" is apparently a paraphrastic third person imperative (="iacito"). I do not know if this is due to Greek influence or a vulgar construction. In classical latin the hortatory subjunctive "iaciatur" might be more common.

Caesar would be facile in Greek forms. My classics advisor corrected Shakespeare's "Et te, Brute". He said Caesar would more likely have said, "Kai su, teknon" (καὶ σὺ, τέκνον)

What fun! Latin!

42 posted on 01/10/2018 11:39:21 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
Now they want to correct Suetin? As far as I can tell, he wrote: Eatur quo deorum ostenta et inimicorum iniquitas vocat. Iacta alea est. I will stick to that. Simple enough! :-)
43 posted on 01/10/2018 11:53:58 AM PST by cartan
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To: Liz

He conquered the Franks and enslaved them, so why haven’t they torn his statue down yet?


44 posted on 01/10/2018 11:55:17 AM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Liz

Didn’t Caesar own slaves? TEAR DOWN THAT STATUE!


45 posted on 01/10/2018 12:10:04 PM PST by Rebelbase (The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.-- H.L. Mencken)
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To: harpygoddess
Historical inaccuracy. Caesar crossed the Delaware.


46 posted on 01/10/2018 12:21:50 PM PST by Rebelbase (The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.-- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Rebelbase
The Romans sold off British slaves and Anglo Saxon slaves among many others. They called the northern anglo slaves little angels because they were so white.

Tear down the Roman ruins and destroy every toilet.

47 posted on 01/12/2018 6:16:05 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids
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