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Honest opinions on history & our Constitution [vanity]
08/26/2017 | self

Posted on 08/26/2017 7:03:27 AM PDT by logi_cal869

Doing a bit of research and looking for honest opinion without searching the internet for the answer first.

I realize the answers here may differ from those I've received elsewhere. To be clear: I'm not asking to be judgmental. Rather, I would just like honest answers based on individual awareness of the noted aspect of history and our own Constitution, without regard for its origin.

Questions:

1. Does your memory serve that the terms describing "concentration camp" and "death camp" are interchangeable and pertain to the Nazi Jew-murdering era?

2. Are you aware that there was a German Constitution in the Nazi era?

3. If the answer to #2 was yes, are you aware of its fundamental fault(s)? Please describe your opinion.

4. Do you have an opinion that our own Constitution has a fault(s).

5. If the answer to #4 is yes, please describe.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: nazi; usconstitution; wtf
Thank you in advance.
1 posted on 08/26/2017 7:03:27 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

“......honest opinion without searching the internet for the answer first.”......

Anything read on the internet must be true. (sarc) Avoid getting your information there.


2 posted on 08/26/2017 7:12:59 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: DaveA37

May your next beer be flat.


3 posted on 08/26/2017 7:15:46 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: logi_cal869
RE: questions ... Questions: 1. Does your memory serve that the terms describing "concentration camp" and "death camp" are interchangeable and pertain to the Nazi Jew-murdering era? << Yes. ALSO the term 'gulag' from Alexander Solshenitzhen fits.>> 2. Are you aware that there was a German Constitution in the Nazi era? <> 3. If the answer to #2 was yes, are you aware of its fundamental fault(s)? Please describe your opinion. << the fundamental fault that i can recall is that they plagiarized American Democratic segregationist policies, and substituted 'Jew" for "Negro".>> 4. Do you have an opinion that our own Constitution has a fault(s). <> 5. If the answer to #4 is yes, please describe. <>
4 posted on 08/26/2017 7:17:46 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: logi_cal869

#1......no.
Japanese were sent to

INTERNMENT CAMPS.
THANKS.


5 posted on 08/26/2017 7:19:40 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: logi_cal869

1) Concentration Camps, I believe first were established by the British during the Boer War. The Nazis has Concentration Camps for political dissidents in the 1930s. The Nazis set up a small number of Death Camps in the 1940s after the Wannsee Conference.

2) The Weimar Constitution predated the Nazis and was (mostly) not a bad document. I don’t think the Nazis technically cancelled that document,

3) One fault would be Article 48 which allowed the Chancellor to ignore the constitution if a state of emergency was declared. Hitler came to power, declared a state of emergency and basically made himself a dictator. Nothing prevented this.

4/5) The US Constitution, in my opinion, should have established this country as a Christian nation, but with no specific denomination. No established government controlled church. But Christian. Also the Second Amendment should have been written more clearly. I believe it gives Individuals the right to bear arms, and I believe it blocks states from infringing this right. But that interpretation has not been universal over the years, as we well know.

Also, I think Congress should have been mandated to attach the specific Constitutional clause which allows them to pass each and every piece of legislation. Establishing a Department of Education? Where does the Constitution say that the federal government can do that?

Also, I think income tax is evil, and I think the constitution should have explicitly said that it was not allowed.


6 posted on 08/26/2017 7:25:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: logi_cal869

1) Of course not. Anyone that answers yes to that one is an historical idiot and should be ignored on all historical issues. Concentration camps were actually popularized by the British, not the Germans. They have also been used by the Americans and French.

One’s political leanings will generally determine if some of the current camps are concentration camps, internment camps, or refugee centers. In any event, they represent a concentration of locally identified undesirables in a more or less secure and separated facility.

2) I’ll answer that one with a different question: Are you aware that 9 of the original members of Hitler’s cabinet weren’t even Nazis?


7 posted on 08/26/2017 7:27:00 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: logi_cal869
The Nazis had labor camps, concentration camps, death camps, and Luftstalags. They were (respectively) used for assembling slaves to work in German factories and on German infrastructure (the rocket base at Peenemunde is an example); the concentration camps were prisons for Jews awaiting either forced labor, "repatriation" (think exile), or, after the Final Solution, death; death camps speak for themselves, Auschwitz being perhaps the most notorious of those; Luftstalags were POW camps for captured Allied combatants; though they ostensibly fell under the Geneva Convention, they were often as brutal as the labor camps.

As I understand it, concentration camps eventually became largely indistinguishable from death camps.

8 posted on 08/26/2017 7:28:56 AM PDT by IronJack (sh)
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To: logi_cal869
I really need to get another cup of coffee before I delve into this,

but HERE would probably be where I would start.

9 posted on 08/26/2017 7:30:59 AM PDT by Delta 21 (AntiFa and BLM should be on the United States list of Terrorist Organizations)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Three more points — The “general welfare” clause should have been explained. I believe it was intended to guard against government corruption and to ensure fair dealings in government rather than roads and bridges and dams and EPA and DEA and all the rest of that.

The Interstate Commerce Clause should have been explained. I believe it was intended to guard against states engaging in trade wars against other states rather than to allow the Feds to control any and all economic activity that crossed state lines.

If the Founding Fathers had succeeded in agreeing to an end of slavery, we would have been so much better off. If not an immediate ban, then a phase out over 30-50 years. Slavery was wrong. They knew it. But politics and economic concerns got in the way. The Great American Sin, in my opinion.


10 posted on 08/26/2017 7:32:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: logi_cal869

Re
“Honest opinions on history & our Constitution [vanity]”
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IMO, the best online info re our present constitution and honest history are:.....

Tom DiLorenzo re The Real Lincoln and a large archive of additional s....

Gary North on our new constitution.... Conspiracy In Philadelphia... book online, etc.
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11 posted on 08/26/2017 7:39:08 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: PAR35

On your first, I would agree when discussing the left. However, I’m not looking to be judgmental of anyone at FR on these matters. It’s simple sociological research.

Perhaps asking for honesty of those who are unwilling is too much.

At one time I was ignorant result of my education and would have answered these questions quite differently not so long ago. But as opposed to so many on the left, I chose to understand history rather than change it. Particularly given that I’m now citing it in part as an expose’ on a fundamental flaw in our system: Education, i.e. lessons of history.


12 posted on 08/26/2017 7:45:27 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Looking at the word "state" as not being a locality, but a form of existence,

"A well armed militia, being necessary for the security of a free state"

as opposed to an unfree or shackled state, the "right to keep and bear arms..."

is a method for helping to maintain the security, the preservation, of that state of freedom.

13 posted on 08/26/2017 7:58:15 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Whereas the Nazis, rule-happy as they were, adopted race laws to keep their nefarious ends on the up and up. It ain’t murder if they ain’t people. Abortion, anyone?


14 posted on 08/26/2017 8:28:16 AM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: logi_cal869

Mark Steyn interviewed F.H. Buckley & had some interesting conversation on what was bad about the US constitution & good about the Canadian constitution. You might give it a listen as you do your research...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8JSXDxOoWQ


15 posted on 08/26/2017 9:00:56 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: logi_cal869

The Constitution can say anything, and mean nothing if the Court doesn’t uphold it. The Tenth Amendment is clear, and essentially nullified by the Supreme Court.


16 posted on 08/26/2017 9:08:30 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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