Posted on 06/16/2017 7:03:42 PM PDT by Ciaphas Cain
Again, Trump tactics are fighting against bullies in a simple, straightforward and honest way. His greatest strength is he doesn’t have anything to hide.
Meanwhile, the Alinsky way is to gain power in the sneakiest, most low down way possible. The price of using Alinsky tactics is having to hide what you do.
>>Meanwhile, the Alinsky way is to gain power in the sneakiest, most low down way possible. The price of using Alinsky tactics is having to hide what you do.
Now you’re just making stuff up.
Progressives hide what they do because their ideology can’t survive in the light of day. It has been the Progressive way since it became obvious that the were communists in the 1920s. That has nothing to do with the use of any particular tactic.
And Alinsky didn’t do anything to change the essential nature of the left. They’ve always been bullies. When you reduce their nature to its most essential, that’s what you get and Alinsky is no different.
I prefer doing things in the open with nothing to hide, the way fighters in the west have always done it. As Trump did during the campaign.
>>And Alinsky didn’t do anything to change the essential nature of the left.
I wish you’d make up your mind. You confuse all your -isms. He gave them tactics to attack those in power. He didn’t invent Progressivism, change it, or do anything to it. He added tools to their already existing toolbox. Period. That’s all.
I prefer to use the tactics Trump has used. These are the traditional fighting tactics of normal Americans. Winning tactics, and you don’t have to hide anything.
>>I prefer to use the tactics Trump has used. These are the traditional fighting tactics of normal Americans. Winning tactics, and you don’t have to hide anything.
You keep saying that and it means nothing.
To use Alinsky tactics is ultimately to surrender. This is because Alinsky tactics cannot be used without violating the very principles we’re fighting for.
The founding fathers of America didn’t need Alinsky tactics.
The men and women who built this country didn’t need Alinsky tactics.
Our men at Okinawa and Normandy didn’t need them.
>>To use Alinsky tactics is ultimately to surrender. This is because Alinsky tactics cannot be used without violating the very principles we’re fighting for.
We’re fighting for survival! If they win, they take down America. Take down America, you take down the world.
I honestly can’t beleive that people still can’t wrap their head around that in 2017.
>>The founding fathers of America didn’t need Alinsky tactics.
Yes, they did. Obviously (to me at least) they weren’t reading from the book since it was the 18th century. But the principles of asymmetrical and psychological warfare were used heavily by those guys—at least the ones in New England.
>>The men and women who built this country didn’t need Alinsky tactics.
Because they were building stuff, not trying to defeat an entrenched enemy who wields great power. I never said that Alinsky tactics will grow crops or build bridges.
>>Our men at Okinawa and Normandy didn’t need them.
You don’t use them in COMBAT! Now you have officially reached the absurd absolute.
Asymmetrical and psychological warfare are not Alinsky tactics.
All tactics to defeat the enemy, including those used by our men in WWII, are pertinent to our conversation.
>>Asymmetrical and psychological warfare are not Alinsky tactics.
But they are tactics where you conceal what you are doing.
>>All tactics to defeat the enemy, including those used by our men in WWII, are pertinent to our conversation.
smh
I’m not talking about concealing them on a tactical level for tactical reasons. I’m talking about concealing them on a philosophical level for tactical reasons.
>>I’m not talking about concealing them on a tactical level for tactical reasons. I’m talking about concealing them on a philosophical level for tactical reasons.
I’m not concealing anything. I will tell a Progressive that I am using Alinsky tactics against him. They will tell us that they are using them against us.
They are THAT effective in a media driven culture.
I’m not leaving a weapon like that behind for vague and outdated “morals”.
Did Obama ever say to a national audience that he was using Alinsky tactics?
Did any of his advisors say it?
Did Hillary?
Did any of them?
The answer is no. Because they all know these things cannot be revealed. None of them could ever win an election if they revealed their underlying philosophy.
>>Did any of them?
>>The answer is no. Because they all know these things cannot be revealed. None of them could ever win an election if they revealed their underlying philosophy.
Did they ever stand up and say, “I am using Alinsky tactics”? Of course not. You are being silly now. Did they hide their philosophy? They didn’t need to. It took Conservatives the full 8 years of the Obama presidency to even begin to understand Progressivism! Even today, people here don’t understand the difference between liberalism and Progressivism. They don’t have to hide it. People like you hide it for them with strawmen and absurd absolutes and by redirecting arguments over tactics into some weird moralism thing.
You are their best weapon against the Right.
What percentage of democrat voters know about Alinsky? If it’s more than five percent I’d be surprised. Any more than that would eliminate their ability to elect anyone.
Democrat leaders are forced to hide their philosophy, because of its inherent corrupt nature. The philosophy, formalized in Alinsky’s rules for radicals, is nothing more than seeking power through corrupt means by pretending to care about relatively normal political matters.
>>What percentage of democrat voters know about Alinsky? If it’s more than five percent I’d be surprised. Any more than that would eliminate their ability to elect anyone.
What percentage of Conservative voters have read Adam Smith, sun Tzu, or even the full text of Common Sense?
The 5-10% of voters who are truly informed are force multipliers but the dumb masses are the ones that campaigns cater to.
As long as the knowledgeable voters know Alinsky, then he affects them all. This isn’t out of deceit. It is just pandering to ignorance. Our side is just as bad.
There’s nothing about conservative ideology that needs to be hidden. Its appeal to voters is based on its inherent nature.
The point here is leftist ideology—otherwise known as the corrupt pursuit of power for its own sake—is inherently flawed on multiple levels, and in order to be viable it must be disguised as something very different from what it truly is.
>>There’s nothing about conservative ideology that needs to be hidden. Its appeal to voters is based on its inherent nature.
You are preaching to the choir on this. Ideology does not equal tactics. Nazis and the USA both used unrestricted submarine warfare as a tactic in WW2.
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