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What If There Is Another Government Shutdown?
The Coach's Team ^ | 4/29/17 | KrisAnne Hall

Posted on 04/29/2017 8:59:16 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

The shutdown showdown seems like a wild train ride and the political aftermath is only just picking up steam. I think it is important to be clear about what the faithful few are actually fighting for (and against) during the shutdown showdown. Let me reset the framework in the simplest possible terms, so that we don’t forget the essentials.

Our federal government, created by the States in 1787, was designed to be a limited and defined federal government. Not my words, but the words of the people who created it - easily researchable and verifiable.

James Madison (called the Father of the Constitution) said in Fed. Papers #45 that “the powers (not rights) DELEGATED (a term repeated in the 10th Amendment) to the federal government are FEW & DEFINED and those that REMAIN in the States are NUMEROUS & INDEFINITE.” Madison then tells us what those few powers delegated to the feds are…he calls them “external objects” meaning the feds are limited essentially to FOREIGN affairs and then he further clarifies by saying they are specifically, “war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce.”

HEALTH INSURANCE, not falling in one of these categories, is NOT a power that has been delegated to the federal government by the States. One might invoke the General Welfare Clause, etc. but that would be a misapplication of the Constitution. For brevity sake, I will simply refer you to a full analysis on this issue, if you are inclined to be further educated on the proper application of the General Welfare Clause as given again by James Madison by reading this article “The General Welfare Clause, Justification for Obamacare?”

Since healthcare is not a delegated power, its regulation by the central government is an unconstitutional act. Alexander Hamilton clarified in Fed. #78, that “no legislative act...

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: barackobama; congress; obamacare; supremecourt
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1 posted on 04/29/2017 8:59:17 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Shut it down. RIF all who are nonessential. That would be great.


2 posted on 04/29/2017 9:00:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation camp?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Well so far Trump looks like he’s trying to avoid that happening.......but so what if it does?


3 posted on 04/29/2017 9:01:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: Oldpuppymax

It’s fine with me. Take a look at all the no essentials not at work.....and then start laying them off permanently


4 posted on 04/29/2017 9:01:28 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Ain’t no big thang, ‘cept fo’ da fact dat y’all gon’ downtown t’ join some ant-eye Trump rallys wif yo’ tahm off.


5 posted on 04/29/2017 9:05:27 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: hal ogen

Barack Hissyfit Obama isn’t in office so maybe, just maybe the NWS website will remain online.

DJT should issue an executive order to the effect of no back pay for any government employees who are non-essential and have essentially taken a free vacation.


6 posted on 04/29/2017 9:06:10 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Short answer by the rats and their sycophant media: it's all Trump's fault!


7 posted on 04/29/2017 9:06:56 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: hal ogen

Shutdown was only deferred by a week, as the kick of the can was only a very short one this time. But come next time, the problems that had existed will STILL be there, and no real compromise is on the horizon.


8 posted on 04/29/2017 9:10:52 AM PDT by alloysteel (Islam is not the highest and best end goal to be aspired to by mankind.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

As I understand it, shutdown only affects 17% of Govt workers?


9 posted on 04/29/2017 9:15:04 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Say hello to President Trump)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The sun will come up
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There’ll be sun!


10 posted on 04/29/2017 9:15:59 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Oldpuppymax
The Judiciary as set forth in Article III was (now) obviously inadequate in specifically spelling out how limited the courts were to be.

Power-hungry people took over the Judiciary and made it more powerful than the other two branches, even though they actually have no means to enforce their edicts.

Government attracts those who hunger for power. That is the essence of the problem.

11 posted on 04/29/2017 9:18:34 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Hmmm, let’s rank these in order of importance:

Your farmers shut down.
Your truck drivers shut down.
Your electricity shuts down.
Your water shuts down.
Your sewer shuts down.
Your garbage collection shuts down.
Your government/journalists shut down.

Ergo, all those folks in the first six are far, far, FAR more important than the low-T marshmallow and law major slugs located at the bottom line.

And, pretty good bed that those men and women in the first six would be much more efficient and productive in government than most of the slimeballs now there.


12 posted on 04/29/2017 9:26:44 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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A gov’t shut down would be effective only if it would last for several years.


13 posted on 04/29/2017 9:39:25 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Note to all foreigners: Please.....GET OUT and STAY OUT!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

What a blessing that would be. Go for it.


14 posted on 04/29/2017 9:43:19 AM PDT by mulligan
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The last shutdown was very expensive indeed. It costs billions to send people out to construct barries at vista points on highways alone.


15 posted on 04/29/2017 10:08:36 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%fe)
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To: hal ogen

“Shut it down. RIF all who are nonessential. That would be great.”

AND NO BACK PAY. That will bring the Democrats to the table, VERY QUICKLY...and on our terms.

Trump has SO MUCH LEVERAGE here it’s really upsetting to not see him use it.


16 posted on 04/29/2017 10:30:47 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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I say shut it down until the ‘butt lickers’ in Congress can start working with the Trump Administration that We the American People elected to run OUR COUNTRY...

Let them know their lobbyists and bill writers are FIRED!!!

17 posted on 04/29/2017 10:39:56 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: hal ogen

hal ogen wrote: “Shut it down. RIF all who are nonessential. That would be great.”

Great rhetoric which confuses ‘non-essential’ with ‘un-important’.

Essential employees are only those who are required to protect life and property. IOW, firefighters, police, etc. Would you consider an employee performing testing on a new weapons system as ‘non-essential’? Would you RIF an employee processing VA claims?


18 posted on 04/29/2017 11:45:29 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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Yes. The govt is bloated. To start RIF 10%. Most govt “workers” are slackers.


19 posted on 04/29/2017 12:12:34 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation camp?)
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The last time there was a “shutdown,” 83% of the government remained open.


20 posted on 04/29/2017 12:22:50 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation ("You can't fix America without pissing off the people who broke it".....Bill Mitchell)
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